What if she is your boss? Seems like a little romance in that arena could pay career dividends. Keep in mind, I give amazing backrubs.

Sex and job?

NO, in capital letters!

Talking about direct action.

These are valid points but all seem to build on the "dating at work is a bad idea" notion.

Even the "good" outcomes of workplace relationships still kinda suck. If one of you gets into a supervisory role, that's hella problematic. Even if it works out, do you really want to be with your SO all day long every day? That just seems stifling.

Also the whole 'you spend all day with people, it just happens' reveals a startling lack of agency. Dating at work is obviously a choice. Normal people can control their libidinal and romantic impulses. I'm not saying it's a perfect circle on a Venn Diagram but the kinda of people who claim they have no impulse control over who they develop romantic and sexual feelings for is going to cluster around people with boundary and self control issues and imo are just the kind of people who are likely to engage in harassment. If I had an employee who admitted they can fall in love with someone just by working with them and they saw dating as just a natural and unavoidable next step, that'd be a huge red flag.

I acknowledge it absolutely does happen (workplace romances). And that they're probably kinda common. I ain't denying reality. But that's the point: it's why harassment at work and other forms of sexual predation are common. That's not to say predation underlies all workplace romances but that people (including women) have these bizarre, startling life ethics that seems to assume love and romance and sex are uncontrollable urges and the workplace is a sometimes appropriate outlet for it.

Go to work with the mindset and dedication to do productive work things and not to find a **** buddy, and marvel at how harassment is a total non issue.

Also if you're socially maladept you could violate norms you don't fully understand and end up getting fired from your job and run out of the entire industry. But you might get laid, so...

Actually, its not remotely a good example of sexual harassment in the legal sense. Sexual harassment is a term of art used to explain a specific gender discrimination claim. Sjws batter the term aoound as if it encompasses every type of sexual misconduct in the workplace. Coworker hitting on coworker ishould not have created a firing event and may not qualify as SH.

The rest of your drivel ie, "we dont teach men basic social skills" mantra is just garbage armchair psychology by a liberal sjw female who thinks she knows more than she does.

Pretty sure that everyone who's taken Iron to task in this thread does not believe he told the whole story, and he's even given a wishy-washy admission of such himself.

Depends on a lot of things. There are plenty of family-owned businesses where SOs work alongside each other.

If I was working in a small business where I was in constant contact with my SO then it would definitely be annoying for me. If I was in a large corporation where I rarely saw her then it wouldn't be bad.

this guy

Took a while for a bona fide MRA to show up.

That seems 100% consistent with the behavior of a sexual harasser. A certain inability to see one's actions for what they are is part and parcel of such behavior.

My brother married someone from work, but work is Boeing, it's a massive company and they aren't in the same department/facility although I think they might have been when they met.

Another Hollywood director is accused of sexual harassment by 30 women. This guy turns the sexual harassment up to 11 immediately. I would have thought a lot of this kind of stuff would happen after a few dates, both have a few drinks and the guy gets forceful or wierd. Instead its like, "Hi I'm a Hollywood director" *starts humping her leg*

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...018-story.html

It carries a far greater risk than dating someone from outside work, but I think your analysis is way off.

Chemistry happens in unpredictable ways between people, and when you consider how many more people you come into regular contact with in the workplace than outside (especially if project based) just saying "Avoid it" is way too blunt. I have friends who met at work and married who would naturally disagree vehemently with this , though it is a good idea not to work in the same team/department for long.

This. If you took his post at face value, reconsider your priors.

My drivel is supported by the scholarly research on gender socialization. Yours is supported by internet high fives from the comments sections of men's rights blogs.

everybody: we need to radically restructure society to battle patriarchy
dvaut: maybe people should stop ****ing their coworkers?
everybody: whoa whoa whoa let's not get nuts here

I worked with a guy once who literally went after every single woman at work. No one escaped. He was super aggressive, making sexual insinuations, etc. but he stopped at the first serious no. It was like an email spammer. He seemed to use his harassing behavior as a filter to find the women who for whatever reason would give him a try. He was otherwise an interesting guy, also honest and hard working. However, he was just unbelievably ugly and short (think Joe Pesci in goodfellas, but disfigured).

Wtf is it with these guys and masturbating in front of women? Just saying "it's a power thing" doesn't really provide any insight imo.

Solid theory. If they become known as one who will sleep with directors to get ahead, then they'll be harassed by directors for the rest of their career.

Yeah maybe with Weinstein. But I should have read the whole Toback article before posting. Clearly he just is a complete weirdo who gets off on coming in his pants in front of people.

Your scholarly social "science" research won't pass any level of scrutiny, but i invite you to list the sources that support your idiotic conclusions.

Sexual harassment is so common that it barely needs research to know how big a problem it is. Recent BBC poll fund 53% / 20% of women/men have been sexually harassed at work. 63% / 79% of female/male victims didn't report it.

For 1 in 10 women it reached the level of a sexual assault.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41741615

Now old man Bush is getting in on the act