I didn't mean to imply that they actually lied about it, that would have been hilariously terrible. Im just saying that it strengthens the position of the political attempt at covering up, I would be surprised if this were to be the only occasion where this has happened.

No, the dishonesty is on the part of people who pretend to an interest in the issue simply because it provides a stick to beat immigrants with. The original question, if you recall, was, 'Are FGM clinics springing up all over Europe?' Well, if they're 'springing up' in the UK, they're illegal. Doctors have been prosecuted for the practice.

The UK has admitted a large number of Somalis in recent years. I should know, because a lot of them live just down the road in Kentish Town. Somalis practise FGM, so there are many women now in the UK who've had FGM done to them. There are signs that some girls are still having it done to them here, while some are taken abroad to have it done. It doesn't, of course, directly affect those of us outside the communities that practise it, but we've had to make sure that the practice is outlawed and that everybody knows it's outlawed, and the screw will continue to be turned on it.

Just 2 doctors doing it -> paranoid fantasy

Then 1000 women subject to it in western society -> uhhh oops.

I thought only 2 doctors were doing it and it was a paranoid fantasy.

Normally we ignore paranoid fantasies since they don't exist, now all of a sudden we need to keep the screw on these practices?

How do we discern who is interested in the issue because they like to beat immigrants and brown children with sticks and those who don't and more importantly who gets to make that judgement? Secondly the dishonesty of far right people jumping on the problems caused by migrants does not exonerate your own dishonesty regardless of whether you believe you are acting in the interests of good.

Yes there are no state approved walk in of the streets clinics where an NHS doctor will take a razor and remove your 8 year old daughters clitoris. Sorry if that was not clear.

Do you support these courts even when they are overwhelmingly misogynist?

that just shows that you have no idea what a piece of **** this so-called newspaper is.

No, a couple of doctors have been convicted. Maybe more. I'm not as bothered about it as you are, because it doesn't impact the wider society at large and because I'm not a fanatical raging blood-drinking racist. What with medical confidentiality, it's obviously difficult to collect evidence in such cases.

Are they? You mean the Jewish courts, which are the last ones I mentioned, do you? Well, since they function only as arbitration panels, and their decisions are not law unless or until the Crown courts confirm them, thus subjecting them to the established law of England & Wales, as with the sharia courts, I doubt that's a factor.

The Springer press in Germany has a similar reputation to the Murdoch press in Britain, with Bild broadly equivalent to The Sun.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time, are you saying they are lying about the content and the quotes ? I'm with you on what they would usually publish and how this is related to that, but you have to agree that if the quotes are correct it doesn't take away a whole lot from the content itself right ?

Note how the open borders brigade keep moving the goal posts, too. 6 months ago, anyone who said this would happen would have been called an evil xenophobe. Now the left must admit it is happening...But they say we must continue on regardless. It's scary to think what their next tactics will be. I suppose it will involve telling women to stay indoors after dark, never go out without a male chaperone and cover up in loose clothing so as not to 'offend'.

Would you say it's front-page news?

I find it it amazing how US lesftwingers keep talking **** about nothern Europe not taking enough refuges.
Are you guys completely unaware that your own countrie do nothing?
We take millions of refugees every year. The US? 0.
You started the wars, of course we should take all the refugees.
My english my be a bit brokon. not first language.

In before you're a racist xenophobe Islamophobic bigot! I do think your millions a year claim should be taken with a tad bit of salt btw but I get your point.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/0...101006005.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b063ecbfa4bfc5
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...0RY0UY20151004
A million seems low now.
Does it escape anyones notices that the US takes NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON?
Northern Europe takes MILLIONS.
And yes, you guys started the war.

I agree that we should be taking way more refugees. Not only do we have a greater capacity, more room and resources, but also, as you point out we bear a significant portion of the responsibility for ****ing up the Middle East this go around. I'm surprised, actually, that Eirope isn't making a bigger stink about this.
Afaik, however, most leftists in the US support taking in more refugees.

My million is widely documented, but keep pretending the world is not what it is.

I'm European myself and you may well be right about the numbers depending on how many years you're going back and depending on refugees from which countries your counting. Again, I see your point but idgaf about the US in this matter, it wouldn't change much. Its up to us to create realistic and sustainable policy.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were, but somone made a comment a while back that the refugees were undermining western values. I thought that sentiment was shared by a number of posters, so that was who my comment was directed toward.

Glad to see some backup from the cold north, I do however strongly disagree that the US plays a role,
those morons talk tough and do nothing.
KMB.

I thought the US did too much?

That is a common misconception. The reality is, that the US has not taken one single refuge from the countries it has started wars in. Europe has taken millions.

Why should the US take in any?

Have you not heard of the sacred 'Ummah'? The unbreakable spiritual bond connecting Muslims across the globe?

Why should the US do anything when Saudi Arabia will surely honour this bond and leap to the defence of their fellow Muslims?

Are you not happy to take in those millions of poor refugees?