A hatchet job I have already painstakingly trawled through.
Notice how every single dissident journalist/commentator (eg. Beeley, Fisk) have been smeared as 'Assad stooge' 'conspiracy theorist' 'anti semite' etc. When you actually bother to look into the sources for western narratives all roads lead to Coventry, England where one bloke sits in an office calling himself 'the Syrian Observatory on human rights'. He has regular meetings with the foreign office. Notice the complete lack of western media questioning of white helmet propaganda. It is truly Orwellian.

The information people can see for themselves is here:

21stcenturywire.com
This is an outstanding resource including eye witness reports, videos and commentary. See for yourself how white helmet activists witness executions by Jihadis and take away the bodies.

The last time I posted a link to this website, MrWookie banned me for 3 days for 'conspiracy garbage', I have raised this censorship with forum management.

The white helmets are funded predominantly by the UK foreign office and the US state dept in the region of hundreds of millions of dollars. This has been confirmed by both governments. How do you feel your tax $ and £ are funding the same types of groups that blew up the world trade centre and Manchester arena?

Also corroborated by ZDF heute, a major German state TV broadcaster.

This is just a lie.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syri...election,_2014

Which bit is a lie? That the US didn't regime change those 3 countries? That they don't want regime change in Damascus? Nobody with a sane mind would deny these facts.
Re elections, from your wiki link:

An international delegation from more than 30 countries, led by the head of the Islamic Consultative Assembly of Iran's Committee on National Security, issued a statement claiming the election "happened in its constitutional time and date in a transparent democratic way", was "free and fair" and held in a "democratic environment, contrary to Western propaganda".[23][24]

What I said is factually correct. You may not like these 'rogue states' but this is the fact. This is about the closest you are going to get to a free election under civil war circumstances. Maybe the Jihadis will offer a better model...

Wow I didn't believe your claims at first but that website your refer to seems legit https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/21st-century-wire/

If you do not understand the difference between "by 30 observing countries" and "by people from 30 different countries" then I have neither the time, nor the patience, nor the crayons to explain it to you.

This is the problem. The constant effort to debunk alternative media sources rather than engaging with the points raised. Statements such as

While they admit Ms. Bartlett’s ties to RT

As if RT is definitively 100% lies and propaganda and is a source of embarrassment. RT has some outstanding content, for instance the discussion show Cross talks, check it out. RT's headline coverage is, naturally, of a Russian slant, only a fool would expect otherwise.
The problem for the western media is that the general content of state networks such as RT and sputnik news, and the alternative independent sector, is less internally contradictory, is more detailed, contains more analysis and so on, it is better, simply.

If you bothered to follow the citations FROM YOUR OWN LINK you would have come across this

A delegation of parliamentarians from different countries, who were in Syria to observe the elections on Tuesday, has endorsed the country's electoral process.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/36069541.cms

I think you'll just be happy to support anyone who is against the West Tom, regardless of what evidence people link, you will carry on defending people like Beeley. Do you really believe the majority of people in Syria want Assad as president? Do you know what the cause of all this is about? And no it's not because of the UK and US.

That link says parlamentarians from different countries observed the elections. Among the five mentioned are steadfast bastions of democracy like Russia, Iran, Venezuela and Uganda (I spot you Brazil). Someone has to be severely ignorant of world politics to believe anything these governments say and not see through this obvious piece of propaganda.
Additionally the article doesn't even say those countries certified the election as "free and fair". Only that this group of mostly unnamed individuals did.
You are not a serious person or worth engaging any further. Good day!

This is a goalpost shift I have already debunked 'you may not like these rogue states'. Your own wiki link says 'free and fair'.

tomj won't be joining us for the rest of his life.

You believe Iran is free and fair?

bashar and his dad have been president of syria for a combined 47 years, stretching back to 1971. they have fought 8 elections and received 98.4% of the vote on average

seems legit

i guess maybe he's just really popular

Predictable outcome is predictable.

I think it's likely Assad because he has a history with chemical weapons, and is certainly willing to use them. But, I can't rule out terrorists because there's a lack of direct evidence.

why are so many people in this thread unwilling to engage in actual discussion and debate. Do you guys understand what it means to disagree?!?

Such intense focus on rather irrelevant details, all while managing to completely gloss over the general premise or viewpoint being presented? seems legit.

I dont understand all the hate Tomj is receiving itt. What I see is someone presenting the other side of the coin, of an increasingly propagandized, global conflict...and him questioning the motives/narratives of Western-backed actors(whom clearly play a major role).

It amazes me how so many of you in this thread are rigid and unwilling to engage in real dialogue. you didnt see tomj resorting to snippy quotes and thinly disguised insults when he didn't agree with your post.

Let's not forget how many times the USA and its global interests have knowingly used and manipulated the mainstream media to help move the tide on foreign policy; particularly when seeking support for military action abroad. how can anyone besides an entrenched ideologue be so unwilling to even consider such scenarios?

maybe, just maybe, things in Syria are far more complicated and nuanced than EITHER "side" wants to admit....and maybe, just maybe, all sides are using the power of the media to further their own agenda(s)?

or maybe you believe your own views/opinions are so righteous and absolute that by default, any cause you support is infallible and irreproachable?

You can distrust or be skeptical of Western media and still point out tomj and his "sources" are anywhere from completely full of **** to disingenuous.

I think a lot of people, especially on the right, do not understand that reality is not a liberal bias in actuality. In this day and age, people arguing for right wing principles might as well be arguing against their own party, because they're flat out lying and/or arguing in bad faith and they don't even hide it anymore. There's no consequence for dishonesty. It's actually incentivized.

The Republican Party is not actually Republican. They're a ridiculous caricature of what true Republicanism is. I wish more of them would acknowledge reality and become Independent voters.

I haven't posted at all itt but wanted to address this. It's because he's a conspiratard. idk if he's trolling or not but he denies this, the LV massacre last October, thinks the Earth is flat, and has many other ******ed theories that he tries to backup with bull****. He's not worth engaging and I'm shocked people were dumb enough to engage for as long as they did.

"Real dialogue" means identifying bull**** and calling it what it is: bull****. Tomj was posting bull****, and there is no tolerance for that here.

Tomj was posting utter drivel itt and others, but will need to see a cite on him being a flat earther, pretty sure that is fake news.

Its also interesting in the scope of meta positioning of narratives that some posters itt seem to have placed him on the right of the spectrum.

In fact he comes from an element of the extreme British left, who have been pushing the syria gas attack is fake pretty hard.

You Round Earthergaters think you have it all figured out.

Yeah this. I disagree with Tom on pretty much most things and although he's gone full on conspiritard here im certain he's not a flat earther.

Regardless of the merits of the issue, Tom is entitled to his opinion. He was always painstakingly polite in the face of considerable provocation.

Your action is dishonorable, cowardly and pathetic. You disgust me.

I stopped posting here precisely because the moderators clearly wanted to censor opinions that weren't mainstream, depressing that judgement was validated so clearly.

Regarding Syria I have no idea what transpired, but any one who simply accepts the party line of western governments after Libya and Iraq is a rube.