Ron Paul 2012 campaign

for me, one takeaway from all this drama is how many people have chimed in to say that they derived value from this subforum, both as a news aggregator, an indie editorial page, and a source of random meme-based humor. I've certainly learned a lot about a great many things, heard some spicy hot takes, and killed a lot of downtime at work. This and Twitter have been excellent resources when serious news breaks.

It's unfortunate that we have a small number of weirdos like bundy and juan who've dedicated a chunk of their lives to trying to tear this place down and ruining everyone's fun. The fact that it's been a useful resource for as long as it has is a testament to the mods. Whatever goes down, just be happy that this all happened somehow.

This is a good answer too.

Yeah I didn't mention it in the last few days, but this forum is a tremendous news aggregator. I'll often just read or skim the Presidency of Trump thread and check what's been bumped that day and feel like there's about a 99.999% chance I'm up to date on the latest news, with a little good analysis and humor thrown in.

Meh. I don't think Borodog was a racist authoritarian. Nielsio either. Nor any of the guys who converted to leftism. They just badly want everything to fit into a logical framework and when the world is too messy for that, they just lop bits off until it fits.

It is however true that the Ron Paul 2012 movement was largely racist authoritarians. It's analogous to the conservative movement writ large, and Nielsio and Borodog were their National Review, a veneer of intellectualism over a basically reactionary movement.

Not only do I stay well informed of the news here, I have nuanced takes from relative to downright SMEs unpacking it. That type of value matters and is rare. Not sure how it can be duplicated.

Very true - especially in relation to healthcare and legal matters.

Yours (and others too rep!) reports from campaigning are included.

Thanks, although I don't know that I count as an expert... But if it motivates anyone to put in time (or more time) in 2020, then I'm thrilled!

Would not want to guess who had a bigger effect. 6ix and Louis Cyphre are probably right. Always been more of a fan of nonviolent civil disobedience. It reflects the hate better. Do think if it was used strictly in Charlottesville it would of made the ridiculous both sides much much harder to sell. Should at least keep the groups out of the same protest.

They should give them their own forum and with bundy and juan in charge. It would put the proper light on this far left hate fest.

He cant post there under his real account. Its under quarantine in BFI as far as i know.

Where the best petty bickering is.

Hate crimes of all sorts are up against a bunch of groups in America. Some act up when the cameras are off. Sure not these upstanding youths though.

Bet he is the only red that did not vote trump.

big +1 to these posts btw. I came here a decade ago for the poker, but it's the football and politics discussions that keep me around. I don't contribute much content these days but this sub in particular is a great resource and it would be a huge shame if the owner gets sick of hosting it.

It would be a great shame if the rwnjs were successful in getting P nuked.

Regs have a long history of 2+2 in common with each other that acts as a proxy for community culture. If prior experience of what happened with another poker site is anything to go by, upping sticks and relocating to another host will probably just see people drift anyway and the new site eventually die.

Mason needs to look into his sources more closely. A well thought out conservative could post here. They would take heat, and some insults, but they could post and not get banned. The banned posters are not that since ive been posting and reading here.

About half of the Canadian posters that frequent here vote conservative. A decent number of the Euros are center right as well.

We all know that euro and canadian conservativism is not what they are looking for and is not true conservativism in this discussion.

A lot of posts on this page that just dont seem to "get" what is being addressed in this thread. Yes there are some RWNJS who ruin the fun for people but there is also some cliquey groupthink factor hurting the survival of this forum which can not be attributed to these same people. I'm not going to reiterate what well named and others have done much more eloquently then I ever could. Pointing at others is easy, try looking at yourself once in a while and take some responsibility.

Yeah I more mean all the libertarian “heros” that these guys were all looking up to.

Oh I get what's being discussed alright, but at the heart of it lies the question of what are and what aren't valid opinions that should receive civil replies. There's room for differences of opinion in what constitutes validity, but to take one example surely the view that black people are genetically less intelligent than white and asian people requires a link to a credible academic paper, and strangely that never happens unless you count citations from a book written 25 years ago that's since been largely debunked.

If you get what is being discussed you'll also understand that both certain regs and RWNJS are about to get this forum successfully nuked, not just one of those two. Maybe I misunderstood "It would be a great shame if the rwnjs were successful in getting P nuked." but it seems unlikely.

Getting P nuked looks very much like the aims of people wanting revenge for being banned if those bans aren't overturned.

And they would definitely be partially responsible for getting it nuked if it happens. However the people who are making P a hostile environment (or whatever you want to call it) are also partially responsible. Without either one of those two parties, P doesn't get nuked.

Which gets back to the question of what are valid opinions that should receive civil replies, and what are opinions in breach of rules (and what those rules should be) that should earn a prompt ban before the temperature rises too much.

The latter category are by definition highly emotive issues and it's probably asking a bit much for people online to ignore them when the poster is so persistent, even though it is wrong to attack the poster personally.

Being asked to report posts before reacting is a sensible rule.

My replies to you were merely about the question of who is ruining it for who (as replied to the "It would be a great shame if the rwnjs were successful in getting P nuked.").

Obviously there is a question about content but once you express the view that one specific group is "successfully getting P nuked" it sounds as if you're placing yourself outside of the circle of influence wrt whether it actually gets nuked which is a mistake imo.

I agree with the underlying question although I'd rather phrase it as ".. that should receive replies.". If the opinion is of the kind that doesn't deserve a civil reply you either don't reply or you report it.

Yes, we can agree to most of that.

The question in this case in particular as I understand it is that the OP was strongly suspected of deliberately trolling in such a way as to elicit a strong reaction, giving him the reason he was looking for to report it to the mods and ask for the forum to be closed, hence "successfully getting P nuked".

He even might have been doing that but he would/will have only be successful at it if there were also legitimate examples of people crossing the line. I think we pretty much agree on most of this stuff.

I just wanted people to realize that everyone ITT can do something about this problem and sometimes I get the feeling as if people are saying "there is no problem, Mason isnt even giving us examples!" thinking its just one of his fantasies.

To me that is just ridiculous and possibly even proof that the problem is larger then I originally anticipated. I expected people to be more like "Ok we kind of have been *******s to a lot of people, a lot of them deserved it but maybe a lot deserved to be treated a bit better".

Zikzak calling well named the worst "friend" of the politics forum was pretty crazy, well named made a very reasonable post about what he thought was going on and it wasn't that extreme. Friends tell you when you dun goofed, that's what he did. Anyway, I wasn't going to post in this thread to begin with but I actually feel bad about the situation P is in and I think its salvageable if people have the right attitude /rant.