It's both correct according to the APA and logical to capitalize them. You would capitalize African American, Italian, etc etc

I gave you everything you deserved, nothing more and nothing less

Lol it has everything to do with the rapist. The subject of this thread. Bringing up white privilege in the context of a rich white kid getting a reduced sentence is the height of what that **** is.
Like this isnt as bad, but is similar to the affluenza kid.

Well, he was talking about the kid being rich enough to get set up with a sweet job from his father as "White" privilege. I guess we're now just gonna call any opportunity that a very wealthy individual person might have as "White" privilege. But yes yes yes I know, you can't be racist against White people because they are historical oppressors, and saying untrue things is justifiable and good etc etc.

I really have no interest in discussing my actual thoughts on the kid. From what I understand about the case, his sentence seems too light especially given the context of how we sentence in this country but my opinion on it is more nuances than the prevailing opinion in here and ANY nuance regarding rape with left-leaning internet groups is met with chants of "gtfo MRA!" so really why bother talking about.

Someone brought up that a Black kid from Alabama gets 50x the length and they're probably right. But ya know one liberal view I actually do hold is we in general sentence too long in this country. I've seen the data, Black people getting longer sentences is one of the few SJW positions that isn't exaggerated or fabricated. But I'm just in general more interested in reducing those sentences not lengthening the other ones.

I think this mob/revenge mentality is at least part of the reason why sentencing has gotten so out of control in this country. "Gonna get Tough on Crime" is an election-bait slogan.

Sentences should be based on:
Deterrence
Rehabilitation
Removal of Dangerous Individual from Society

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You'll notice "revenge" is not in there.

A funny thing about the affluenza kid... minors getting slaps on the wrist for serious crimes... especially 1's that come from "good" families isn't all that uncommon. But that case caught fire for 2 reasons:

1) We're on a public crusade against drunk driving
2) The lawyer in his defense used the term "affluenza"!!!!

If he woulda just not called it that it wouldn't have gotten nearly the attention. But that ridiculous word put a spotlight on how absurd it is.

I think this is all fine and I do fimd it distasteful that people want this guy's life ruined forever instead of rehabilitation and whatnot but the problem is that these kinds of 'possibility of lighter sentencing' almost always comes up in the context of usually richer and yes usually white and usually male defendants.

Judges and society in general may talk about giving lighter sentences in general but the only time those discussions really manifest themselves are in cases like this.

It's going to take a major shift to where a judge or someone will actually stand up for much tougher cases and say they deserve a chance at rehabilitation and a life and then give a lighter sentence without getting kicked out of office.

YUP

As far as them usually being White... didn't I not, like say that?

As far as them being male.... males getting lighter sentences....
than, females??

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OK I'm done now. Yes I know I know we have oppressive male privilege in fantasy land. Here in reality, (where I live) White people get lighter sentences as compared to Blacks and females get lighter sentences as compared to males. Score +1 for BLM and + MRA's

I don't know who it was here who first theorized the correlation between capitalizing the word "Black" and semi-literate racist views, but the comorbidity has been 100%.

FYP


Lemme help you with that.

People who agree with your more often than me probably don't even SAY Black much so when they do they don't think to capitalize it. When I wrote papers on these subjects in school I would have had to capitalize it. It's CORRECT! I'm now getting criticized for doing something correctly, Jesus Christ.

Now the less intelligent people who put it in lowercase are doing it wrong, thus less intelligent, and their views (either that simply differ from yours or genuinely racist - I'd have to see) will certainly be less intelligible than mine.

Actually, that's how it works. This case is a good example

The standard you're using for "life ruined" is illuminating. Also, in a country where Drumpf gets 40+% of the popular vote, this douchenozzle will be just fine.

Brock Allen Turner

see above.

Could I ever get away with being so disgustingly hateful to a race and not get banned. Eh fortunately I'm a reasonable person.

his future is just as ruined whether he serves 6 months or a more appropriate longer sentence in prison. So that rationale from the judge doesn't make sense. This isn't a drunk sex leading to rape allegations, this was a rape.

Deterrence requires a longer sentence under these circumstances

You seem very angry for someone I just 99% agreed with.

One last word on the rehabilitation aspect. I was speaking about criminals in general. I think this type of rape would mostly be committed by someone not capable of rehabilitation to be honest. The main purpose of his sentence would be future deterrence for him and others of course.

It's very possible he won't ever do it again, but if he doesn't feel sorry for it instantly after it happens he's not going to learn to later. If you have that little respect for others after you're like 3 years old you aren't suddenly going to learn it.

Angry???? I had an excellent laugh


To be more clear, I think this irrational button people on the left press to blame and declare everything wrong with and wonderful for White men is a cultural disaster. You did 99% agree with me, but then when you say something like that I just want to bang my head against the wall. Men get lighter sentences? C'mon dude, you didn't even think about what you wrote, you just said it. This compulsory divisiveness is going to be the death of us. I know you guys hate when racist MRAs (lol) like me call on the words of MLK to make OUR point, so I won't. Just please try and consider that White men aren't responsible for every problem in the universe, nor are they the benefactor of all that is good.

Well I agree though, I do think the sentence is too short.

It's weird because your entrenched dedication to APA style guidelines doesn't seem to carry over to any other aspect of your posting.

I'm only bringing up the APA because it was pointed out that what I was doing was some kind of crazy thing. I'm obviously not overly concerned with my spelling and grammar but hitting the shift key before Black and White is mostly a force of habit.

0. (Discussion of other surrounding points people have made on my position)
People are always touchy about these issues because they can't think rationally about an emotionally charged subject. The facts are that for most people, rape is a crime on the level of murder. Saying such doesn't "minimize" rape, because murder is probably the most serious crime there is. However, to argue as if it is some super-crime that deserves unlimited punishment, is clearly incoherent.

Another fact that is conveniently ignored during this inflammatory rhetoric is that more serious crimes have more serious punishments and we should be specific as to the exact nature of the crime. For example, people convicted on Murder One gets 15 years, Murder Two gets 8 years, beating someone up badly with a bat gets 4 years, etc. In rape cases, rape gets 10 years, sexual battery gets 5 years, sexual assault gets 2 years, etc. Because of the simple fact that they are different crimes. A guilty verdict to sexual assault is not the same as a guilty verdict to rape, just like beating someone with a bat is different from shooting them in the head. Yes they are both bad things, but they are decidedly different in both law and in the common understanding of the severity of the crime.

Yet collectively you would like to bait us into a nebulous fantasy where you both don't want the punishment to be that this guy gets burned alive, and yet any discussion of acceptable punishment no matter how large, is not large enough. Those assertions are logically inconsistent. Then you get into the accusatory drivel: that I am a rape minimizer, a ****ty person, other adhom etc. I could call you a rape apologist for suggesting a life sentence too, because "don't you understand the logic that rape=bad and therefore all punishments are too little?". Look, we already agree 6 months was too low, I said that multiple times right at the outset. But it is also reasonable to say ten years is plenty, or at least the posit of a well formed opinion. The law and juries have reached a similar conclusion, typically people get sentenced to 12 years and serve 6.

1. Some people said here they would do 1 year rather than be on the list. Thus it is clearly worth something. The list stays forever, and even mass murderers don't get on a list. I think the list should have a sunset period of something like 10 years. If you haven't done anything bad in ten years, together with a lot of prison time to think about yourself, I think you deserve a finality in punishment. I think the deterrent effect of the punishment is maintained, so there are imo no problems re: the crime rate increasing. I think of the list as a further probationary period because it creates a secondary boundary on life outside of prison. Unlike what many want the list to be, I don't think the goal of the list should be to exact additional punishment by extrajudicial means out of spite or a desire for vengeance.

2. Strawman: of course the actual sexual assault is not a good outcome. But we are of course talking about what happens after, and yes there are examples of people that try to turn it around. Take Zach Jesse as an example. He raped a girl when he was 18 and drunk, but instead of being a ****face forever he turned around in pretty much every sense of the word. 9 yrs later he got married and went to law school, winning an almost-full-ride scholarship. He volunteers 30-40h a week according to him. This doesn't excuse the decisions he made, but the point is there are people that after the fact try to be a good person or live a complete life despite having to live with a ****ty choice and being viewed as a ****ty person no matter how much they atone. If we don't show compassion sometimes, then people like Jesse's wife loses out on happiness too.

Men don't get lighter sentences, but when white rich kids get caught up in these things then people start having these conversations about lighter sentences and the harshness of prision in general. Both can be simultaneously true.

A very excellent post. You must be a racist MRA

Btw it is true that this guy got a lesser sentence for being a white male. Or lets say really damn likely. I'm not sure how that is even being debated. Just pretend he is a black guy with a tattoo across his face. Then tell me with a straight face that he could get off w 6 months, yeah right.

3 things:

1) A lot of us are white men so people start to "identify" with the assailant's life path and think "this could happen to me! or someone i know!" I'm a big believer that the most of today's racism that exists today is based on this problem. ...And it's why I think this newfound desire of intellectuals to notice race so god damn much amplifies this effect. White and Black people are viewing each other as aliens from other planets instead of closer to "the same thing" ...And It feels to me we've almost gone backwards in this particular area. This mentality was getting better into the 80's/90's and has since reversed course.


2) Length of sentences only come seem to come up when someone gets too light a sentence. Overly harsh sentences maybe get a word here or there, we say "that's stupid!" and quickly move on. So the "sentences are too long camp" only seems to have a chance to voice in these situations.


3) In the rare events you actually are talking an overly long sentence for a minority it's not something I want to comment on. I hate agreeing with you guys. It's both a failing of mine for preferring to argue and the Social Justice community in general for constantly calling everyone a racist and sexist who doesn't 100% agree with them. Even when I do agree with certain things this happens and for whatever reason it feels even worse in those instances. I'm bringing this up because I think in general people "on different sides of the aisle" hate agreeing with each other and it's probably often the reason many conversations aren't had.

That sounds like a name in a terrible short story written by a 9th grader.