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Originally Posted by riverfish1
Okay to explain my position (sort of)
Here's what the NEA does- they create a payscale based solely on years of experience and not on quality in any way and they make it damn near impossible to fire crappy teachers unless they sleep with their students.
Good teachers are an incredibly important resource and can have an amazing impact on a child's lives. Often times they will arrive at the classroom an hour before school starts, stay 2-3 hours afterwards and then correct papers/make lesson plans, etc. for another couple hours when they get home (my GF is a teacher, my mom was a teacher, my dad was on the board of ed for a number of years, I have seen this). As such, they deserve to be rewarded for their dedication and ability. Yes they do get 3 months vacation, but they're working 10+ hours a day, sometimes 6 days a week during the school year.
Bad teachers teach from 9-3. Spend as little time as possible outside of school doing school work and generally see teaching as a means to make a modest living with a ton of vacation time. They often have negative impacts on the educational development of children and deserve to be fired for their inability and/or lack of work ethic.
Under the current system both teachers get paid equally. Obviously we want only good teachers teaching, but with overall crap wages for a college graduate and little advancement opportunities, the profession attracts those dedicated to saving the world and slackers. To attract the best, pay needs to be better. However, like any business, we need to be able to differentiate between the cream and the waste and pay them accordingly. One way to do this is through standardized test scores. Another way is through peer, principal and student evaluations (believe it or not these evaluations do help determine college professors pay, so it is a system that can be done). We award bonus' to those teachers who perform well in those areas and deny them to those who don't, vastly improving the quality of our educational system. This is already being experimented with in several school districts and the initial results are positive.
My g/f is a teacher as well, and with my work for the government, I can definitely agree with your thoughts on peer/principal and student evaluations. As a government employee myself, although in a different field, I definitely see the problems every day I go to work that this current system that makes dismissal, or nearly any type of disciplinary action at all, next to impossible.
The general problem is that those with the authority to take any action are generally so far removed from the day to day operations of the school that they don't have any clue what's really going on. Most of the time the process goes like this: the principal sees day to day problems with a particular teacher, gives her low marks on her performance evaluation, or receives complaint calls from parents and investigates and documents, sends it up the chain where it is thrown in the teachers personnel file, where it's never seen or discussed again.
The principals need more authority. That may not totally solve the problem, but it would certainly be a step in the right direction.