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September LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**

View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of September?

Jefferson Beleaguered Sessions III

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John Kelly

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Kjrstyn Njielessen

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Wilbur Ross

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Ben Carson

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Rudy Giuliani

10 27.78%

Sarah Huckabee Sanders

4 11.11%

Kellyanne Conway

2 5.56%

Rod Rosenstein

3 8.33%

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09-01-2018 , 02:32 PM

#51

zikzak

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Seriously.

10 days is good. Service industry workers are lucky if they ever get that much in their entire career.

09-01-2018 , 02:34 PM

#52

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

Seriously.

10 days is a bit less utterly ****. Service industry workers are lucky if they ever get that much in their entire career.

FYP.

09-01-2018 , 02:35 PM

#53

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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Are national holidays included in the 10 days? TG and Christmas Day etc?

09-01-2018 , 02:37 PM

#54

microbet

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Not a brag - I'd rather have vacation time and big houses are helping ruin the Earth, but average home size in the US is 2164 sf and in the UK it's 818 sf. We also have .91 cars per person and UK has .52. Priorities. And people in the service industry or anywhere making $15/hr or something don't have the choice, but hats off to Suzzer for being awesome and taking months off to travel the world.

09-01-2018 , 02:38 PM

#55

All-In Flynn

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Are national holidays included in the 10 days? TG and Christmas Day etc?

I imagine not, if the baseline is zero?

09-01-2018 , 02:47 PM

#56

suzzer99

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09-01-2018 , 02:52 PM

#57

suzzer99

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The majority of the US seems to think 40 hours/week + a week on some tropical beach has been ordained by God as the exact correct work/life balance.

And yeah service workers don't have the luxury to travel. But a higher min wage (which puts upward pressure on all wages at the lower end) + 35 hours gives them a better quality of life.

09-01-2018 , 02:54 PM

#58

jalfrezi

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A Protestant God, naturally.

09-01-2018 , 03:54 PM

#59

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how if workers are twice as productive as 30 years ago and make pretty much the same money, but we cut their hours by 5-10 a week, that somehow tanks the economy.

The far bigger 'concern' is that if people worked less hours it would make no difference at all to the economy.

The kensian plan was a great idea for the last century but that's fast disappearing in the rear view mirror. Now we need to be thinking about the middle of the 21st. Extrapolate working less hours enough and you end up with something akin to UBI plus a minimal amount of time at work pretending to justify it.

09-01-2018 , 04:15 PM

#60

suzzer99

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Yeah but I'm fine with giving everyone a 3-day weekend for now and see what happens.

09-01-2018 , 04:18 PM

#61

zikzak

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Originally Posted by microbet

Not a brag - I'd rather have vacation time and big houses are helping ruin the Earth, but average home size in the US is 2164 sf and in the UK it's 818 sf. We also have .91 cars per person and UK has .52. Priorities. And people in the service industry or anywhere making $15/hr or something don't have the choice, but hats off to Suzzer for being awesome and taking months off to travel the world.

Those stats are really more about population density, which varies a lot and is based on historic development patterns more than anything else. Greater London's density is half that of NYC, but 7x higher than LA County.

09-01-2018 , 04:19 PM

#62

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yeah but I'm fine with giving everyone a 3-day weekend for now and see what happens.

I'd rather we started giving people a small UBI but I'd settle for that (or both)

09-01-2018 , 04:22 PM

#63

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-n...ners-20180830/

This article is pretty cool. Quanta generally is the most consistently excellent publication on the Internet.

Quote:

This summer, they demonstrated that they can film a houseplant and then reconstruct a three-dimensional image of the rest of the room from the disparate shadows cast by the plant’s leaves. Or they can turn the leaves into a “visual microphone,” magnifying their vibrations to listen to what’s being said.

“Mary had a little lamb…” a man says, in audio reconstructed from the motion of an empty chip bag that the scientists filmed through a soundproof window in 2014.

Well that has terrifying implications for surveillance.

09-01-2018 , 04:22 PM

#64

suzzer99

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

I'd rather we started giving people a small UBI but I'd settle for that (or both)

I feel like reducing hours is a lot more politically tenable in the US.

In theory "Hey why don't you give back a little of those massive worker productivity gains?" should go over better than "Hey why don't you give people free money?" with the donor class.

09-01-2018 , 04:23 PM

#65

StimAbuser

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With the cutting back of days/hours do we just put everyone on Salary? Minimum wage would have to go up bigly for people to get by on 20-32ish hours.

09-01-2018 , 04:29 PM

#66

suzzer99

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Well we can look at whatever happened when the 40-hour work week was first established. And yes raising min. wage should be done either way. So if you timed them together it might make sense.

Maybe they still work 40 hours and get a little raise with time and a half for the last 4-8 hours.

Medicare for all would help because companies wouldn't have that benefit hurdle and incentive to keep workers hours low (assuming they have the standard PT/FT benefit policy).

09-01-2018 , 04:33 PM

#67

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yeah you're probably right about that.

09-01-2018 , 04:35 PM

#68

simplicitus

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Originally Posted by uDevil

Pickings are slim this month. Sticking with Rudy. Hell, he might forget he took the job.

Went with Rudy because he's acting unhinged and it just came out that he wrote a letter to corrupt Romanian Pres. against anti-corruption efforts that is contrary to US policy. Wonder if Mueller may acquire some interest in him.

Though, I'd think one or two rats will leave the ship this month to avoid the stench of the mid-terms. Maybe Conway or Huckabee.

09-01-2018 , 04:35 PM

#69

microbet

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Originally Posted by zikzak

True to an extent but 7x exaggerates the difference. More than half of LA county is mountains or desert with literally no people. I'm thinking of a smaller things too like in my neighborhood where just about all the 1100sf homes have been torn down and 4000sf+ homes built in their place. It's fairly common. And new homes here are almost always tiny lots and huge houses even if they are out in the desert and the subdivision is surrounded by empty space.

09-01-2018 , 04:42 PM

#70

suzzer99

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Yeah it's weird when you fly over like Palmdale and everyone is crammed in on small lots - surrounded by empty dessert on all sides. Then you fly over East of Denver outskirts and everyone has an acre of land.

09-01-2018 , 05:12 PM

#71

microbet

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yeah, I'm usually not flying though.

If you look closely at the roofs you'll see a fair amount of solar. I used to do a lot of real estate appraisals out there back in the late 80s early 90s too.

I'd 100% rather live in a van in Manhattan Beach than one of those 3000sf houses in the desert. Well, maybe I'd kill myself either way, so that might count as a tie, but I'd give the van a shot. No offense to anyone who lives out there. They may like it. But I haaaaate it.

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09-01-2018 , 06:11 PM

#72

kerowo

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Some friends of mine bought one of those huge houses outside Denver. I can see the appeal but mostly it's just wasted space. A basement the size of mini-mart with a huge couch in front of a giant TV and a pool table seems empty. Upstairs has rooms they don't use, just seems a waste.

09-01-2018 , 06:16 PM

#73

O.A.F.K.1.1

Ted Patrick

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10 days keeps going round in my head.

How do you guys not kill yourselves?

I just had 4 days off, the idea that would be nearly half my lot would be brutal.

09-01-2018 , 06:21 PM

#74

zikzak

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We kill each other a lot.

09-01-2018 , 06:28 PM

#75

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That's 114 with weekends off, and then there's all those random 1-day vacations. No idea how any business gets done, tbph. This is why I made up the term lazy american and also why trump won.

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