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September LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition** September LC Thread **Survivor White House Edition**
View Poll Results: Who will NOT survive the month of September?
Jefferson Beleaguered Sessions III
7 19.44%
John Kelly
3 8.33%
Kjrstyn Njielessen
0 0%
Wilbur Ross
0 0%
Ben Carson
0 0%
Rudy Giuliani
10 27.78%
Sarah Huckabee Sanders
4 11.11%
Kellyanne Conway
2 5.56%
Rod Rosenstein
3 8.33%
Write-in
7 19.44%

09-01-2018 , 12:01 AM
09-01-2018 , 12:26 AM
Someone's got a hot trigger finger on the August LC thread.

But anyway.

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In the year 1930, John Maynard Keynes predicted that, by century's end, technology would have advanced sufficiently that countries like Great Britain or the United States would have achieved a 15-hour work week. There's every reason to believe he was right. In technological terms, we are quite capable of this.
This is what I keep telling you guys and no one ever listens because it's not a popular current talking point. We should ALL be working like 20 hours a week by now. **** UBI - just make any hours over 20 = double time, for everyone, and watch the magic happen.

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The answer clearly isn't economic: it's moral and political. The ruling class has figured out that a happy and productive population with free time on their hands is a mortal danger (think of what started to happen when this even began to be approximated in the '60s). And, on the other hand, the feeling that work is a moral value in itself, and that anyone not willing to submit themselves to some kind of intense work discipline for most of their waking hours deserves nothing, is extraordinarily convenient for them.
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If someone had designed a work regime perfectly suited to maintaining the power of finance capital, it's hard to see how they could have done a better job. Real, productive workers are relentlessly squeezed and exploited. The remainder are divided between a terrorised stratum of the, universally reviled, unemployed and a larger stratum who are basically paid to do nothing, in positions designed to make them identify with the perspectives and sensibilities of the ruling class (managers, administrators, etc.)—and particularly its financial avatars—but, at the same time, foster a simmering resentment against anyone whose work has clear and undeniable social value. Clearly, the system was never consciously designed. It emerged from almost a century of trial and error. But it is the only explanation for why, despite our technological capacities, we are not all working 3–4 hour days.
Seriously - there's a reason why no one ever brings this up from either side of the aisle. Their donor overlords would revolt.

Last edited by suzzer99; 09-01-2018 at 12:51 AM.
09-01-2018 , 12:29 AM
Writing in McGahn.
09-01-2018 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Writing in McGahn.
+1
09-01-2018 , 01:55 AM
The other reason we don't work 4 hour days is we want more **** than they had in WWI.
09-01-2018 , 02:04 AM
Pickings are slim this month. Sticking with Rudy. Hell, he might forget he took the job.
09-01-2018 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by iron81
The other reason we don't work 4 hour days is we want more **** than they had in WWI.
BUT WE CAN STILL HAVE IT

The .01% just have to live with only being obscenely wealthy instead of surreally wealthy. Maybe only 1 or 2 yachts instead of a fleet? Maybe only one of the yachts has a helipad? Maybe only a G6 instead of tricked out gold-plated 747? Maybe they have to sell one of their Manhattan penthouses that they never set foot in?

Yeah even the .1% might have to think twice about that 3rd vacation home.

Sacrifices.

Just go back to like the 60s when the wealthy were still grateful to millions of working class young men who died to protect their giant pile of gold coins. The average CEO made what 5-10x that of the average worker? Now it's what 500x? Hell just go part of the way there and we can all share the wealth instead of heads rolling down the street - which is where this is headed.

Why is this so hard to grasp and why are you carrying water for these ****s? "I must work 40 hours/week to have my iPhone and yearly trip to Cancun. It is an economic law." No.

Even at 20 hours/week you're probably contributing multiples more to your company's bottom line than your father did at 40 hrs/week. My last company made $33k a minute or something, some of it on software I built. I deserve a tiny finger in that pie.

You might accurately say "deserve's got nothing to do with it" - which I will remind myself when the job creators are dragged through the streets. The enduring lesson of history is if you don't share the wealth at least some - at some point something's got to give.

The DeVos/Mercers/Muchins of the world actually believe the opposite. That if you give the proles too much leisure time, they'll just want more. You have to keep their noses to the grindstone. You're literally helping them by perpetuating this baseless argument that we must always work 40 hours to have ever cheapening basic leisure items.

Last edited by suzzer99; 09-01-2018 at 02:41 AM.
09-01-2018 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
Pickings are slim this month. Sticking with Rudy. Hell, he might forget he took the job.
Trump already said he's getting rid of McGahn after kavanaugh is confirmed which is beginning in 4 days. Very unlikely he makes it out of Sep.
09-01-2018 , 03:31 AM
writing in tobytime79
09-01-2018 , 03:35 AM
and zap... bless his heart, he was all ****ed up
09-01-2018 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Even at 20 hours/week you're probably contributing multiples more to your company's bottom line than your father did at 40 hrs/week. My last company made $33k a minute or something, some of it on software I built. I deserve a tiny finger in that pie.
This is essentially the reason I never wanted to work a 9-to-5 in the corporate world. I had two jobs - one in high school, one on the side while trying to make it in broadcasting - where my hours were billed out to clients. It made me sick what a small piece of the pie I got... and both were small businesses run out of their owners' homes, so it's not like some huge chunk of their revenue was going to overhead.

This is also a huge part of where I align politically. I think people who work hard deserve to have a somewhat fair shake - I'd prefer the free markets give it to them, but that's obviously not working. So **** it, if the .1%, 1%, 5%, whatever doesn't want to pay people a living wage, let's raise minimum wage. If they can't provide people with quality healthcare, then let's do single payer (but let's do it anyway because it's truly the only good solution).

I believe these things swing on a pendulum, and right now we're way out to the right... and suzzer is right. If it gets too much farther to the right, it's going to be bad for everyone, including a lot of the 1%ers. It's also going to make it swing farther, unfortunately probably too far, back to the left... but I guess we'll have to solve that problem when it arises.

The fact that they don't see this and are still trying to push it further is good evidence for the argument that it's not some huge advantage in intelligence that got them to where they are in most cases.
09-01-2018 , 03:39 AM
Last month I went out on a limb with Sessions, and it looks like I was just a couple months ahead of time on that one.

This month it seems pretty obvious: McGahn.
09-01-2018 , 04:03 AM
I haven't voted in any of the rest of these but I'm going SHS this month. Got a feeling.
09-01-2018 , 04:03 AM
To me it's just common sense. If worker productivity is increasing so much, then either pay should be going up, or hours worked going down. Since neither is happening, for a long time now, it's time for some legislative nudging. Increasing min. wage is a good step - but you can't go too crazy with that. Reducing hours is the next obvious step.
09-01-2018 , 05:54 AM
What will bring this about? Unions have been shackled for exactly that reason and the populace have bought the line about having pride in working long hours for their family, despite it being against their interests.

Democrats and various Labour parties don't seem at all interested in the idea of reducing the length of the working week.

Last edited by jalfrezi; 09-01-2018 at 06:22 AM.
09-01-2018 , 07:54 AM
Just wow

09-01-2018 , 07:57 AM
Seems like cheating, but +1 for McGahn
09-01-2018 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
To me it's just common sense. If worker productivity is increasing so much, then either pay should be going up, or hours worked going down.
This presumes bargaining power for the workers though. When worker productivity increases, profits increase but things like wages and benefits don't just go up because profits go up. The shareholders aren't giving up their share of the increased profits without explicit or implicit threats of action from the workers.
09-01-2018 , 09:12 AM
Chose Sessions because Trump does the opposite of what he says he'll do.
09-01-2018 , 10:10 AM
You can't pick McGhan, come on you ****ing pikers.
09-01-2018 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
You can't pick McGhan, come on you ****ing pikers.
yeah nobody is gonna get points for picking a guy trump publicly fired last month
09-01-2018 , 10:22 AM
Conway
09-01-2018 , 10:24 AM
https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-n...ners-20180830/

This article is pretty cool. Quanta generally is the most consistently excellent publication on the Internet.
09-01-2018 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by StimAbuser
Just wow


      
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