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Old 07-12-2018, 06:36 PM   #108751
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Re: The Self-Pardoning Presidency of Donald J. Trump: Above the Law

I'm watching on CNN but I think this works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOAS...ature=youtu.be
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:40 PM   #108752
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e_iOSApp_Other

Trumps meltdown at NATO summit


The first indication that things were not going to plan on the final day of Nato’s summit came from a group of Romanian journalists. They had left the main newsroom to observe a meeting between Donald Trump and the Romanian president, Klaus Iohannis.

They returned to report that the meeting had been scrapped. Further reports began to spread around the newsroom. An earlier meeting between Trump and the leader of Azerbaijan had also been cancelled. So too had one planned with the leader of Ukraine. And Georgia.

Something was up. And that something was Trump, who, ever unpredictable, had gone on a diplomatic rampage, throwing long-prepared Nato plans into chaos.


On Wednesday night Nato leaders had begun to hope the worst was behind them. Trump had hours earlier delivered a rant against Germany, accusing it of failing to pay enough on defence and becoming a “captive” of Russia by allowing itself to become too dependent on Russian energy supplies.

Later the same day he had sounded calmer and more emollient during a series of private meetings, particularly over dinner with the other leaders. “I have to tell you that the atmosphere last night at dinner was very open, was very constructive and it was positive,” the president of Croatia, Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović, told reporters on Thursday morning.

The agenda for Thursday seemed, on the surface, to offer little reason for further confrontation with Trump: a routine discussion of moves by Georgia and Ukraine to join Nato and of Nato involvement in Afghanistan.

It began on time, at 8.45am. Theresa May, Angela Merkel, Emmanuel Macron and other leaders were there. But Trump was missing.
Seldom keen on such detailed discussions, the US president turned up late and came with a different agenda.

Ignoring the discussion about Georgia and Afghanistan, Trump charged forward, saying his predecessors in the White House had pushed for an increase by Europeans on defence spending and he was not going to put up with it. Dispensing with the usual diplomatic niceties, he pointed at Merkel, whom he dislikes on a personal level as well as over their policy differences, and said: “You, Angela.”

The most stunning comment came from a source reported by Reuters: “He said they must raise spending by January 2019 or the United States would go it alone.”

This was greeted with shocked silence. It had seemed unthinkable: a US president threatening to pull out of a military alliance that the US has regarded as a cornerstone of its military strategy for 69 years.

No one appears to be disputing the words. What is being disputed is the interpretation. Reuters reported Trump as having threatened to quit Nato but then rescinded this. Macron insisted this had not been Trump’s meaning.

But just as alarming was the apparent ultimatum. European leaders who have so far failed to reach Nato’s 2% defence spending target are talking about achieving this years from now, not by January.

Responding to the rising sense of panic in the room, the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, called an emergency meeting. The leaders of Afghanistan and Georgia were asked to leave as they were not Nato members. The US president’s demand for further discussion of spending took precedence over Ukrainian and Georgian accession to Nato and the Afghanistan government’s fight with the Taliban.

The meeting then broke up, without Stoltenberg or any of the other European leaders offering a single concession.

A series of press conferences with European leaders had been scheduled but were cancelled as the leaders quickly headed straight for the airport. Downing Street insisted May had never intended to hold a press conference, even though one with her was being trailed on Nato’s internal television network, complete with location and time, and some journalists had headed over to the briefing room.

Trump was not scheduled to hold one but did. The crisis meeting on spending knocked his schedule back by at least half an hour. The press conference added another 35 minutes.

At the press conference, he hailed the summit as a success, praised Nato, insisted his relationship with other Nato leaders was good and – though other European leaders later disputed this – that they had agreed to significant increases in spending.

Trump, soon after leaving Brussels, tweeted a short video of the highlights of the Nato summit, which suggested a parallel universe in which the meeting had been a total success: flags, motor cavalcades, greeting Stoltenberg, sitting in amiable discussion with other leaders and standing together for the group picture, and a final wave at the press conference.

There were no rants about defence spending. In short, it had been a triumph. Attached to the video, he wrote: “Thank you @Nato2018!”
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:43 PM   #108753
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So whats the deal with Bruce Ohr giving the FBI documents from the dossier after steele was terminated as a reliable source? Is that a big deal?

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Old 07-12-2018, 06:54 PM   #108754
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This gosa**** from Arizona needs an “off” button
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:55 PM   #108755
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Serious question. Is Mr Gohmert retarded?
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:55 PM   #108756
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Not a single thing in that Guardian article is remotely surprising.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:58 PM   #108757
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Euros,

Decrease your military spending.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:00 PM   #108758
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I have to give this guy a lot of credit. This is the best congressional performance I can remember. He's destroying these clowns.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:01 PM   #108759
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So dirty Pete is like Stan Beeman?
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:03 PM   #108760
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I have to give this guy a lot of credit. This is the best congressional performance I can remember. He's destroying these clowns.
Suzzler,

How do the Chief's fans see it?
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:05 PM   #108761
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micro,

loooooooooollllllllll

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Old 07-12-2018, 07:07 PM   #108762
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The trumpers on the forum I visit think Bruce Ohr funneling Steele dossier documents to the FBI after Steele was terminated as a reliable source is going to bring the investigation down.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:11 PM   #108763
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A few posts in someone gets to the heart of GOP politics

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Do the Dems have any White people in this hearing?
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:13 PM   #108764
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Lol what’s with this stupid line of questioning where they are trying to paint the FBI as a bunch of democrats.

It’s clearly, historically, obviously and demonstrably untrue.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:16 PM   #108765
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A few posts later there's more

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(((Democrats))) lecturing and trying to take the high road, looking down their crooked noses
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:18 PM   #108766
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These things are all relative I guess. I often get called a Communist by a far right winger I'm unfortunate enough to work with, outside of work. Relative to the modern Repub party the FBI probably are liberals.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:23 PM   #108767
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FBI agents are probably 90% Republican.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:25 PM   #108768
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That's just enough out of human tomato
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:28 PM   #108769
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These things are all relative I guess. I often get called a Communist by a far right winger I'm unfortunate enough to work with, outside of work. Relative to the modern Repub party the FBI probably are liberals.
Maybe, but I bet they've only been passed in the past year
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:43 PM   #108770
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FBI agents are probably 90% Republican.
That's the most infuriating thing. The mainstream media has all seemingly adopting the frame that the FBI was anti-Trump and are weighing their defense that they didn't let being anti-Trump change their decision vs. the right wing gibberish.

The FBI was extremely pro-Trump. James Comey is why Trump is President.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:48 PM   #108771
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The left's newfound embrace of the FBI as a mom-and-apple-pie symbol of American goodness is going to have long-lasting and horrible effects on our society even if we do pull back from Tumpery.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:16 PM   #108772
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Interrupting the congressional testimony discussion for this latest WP article that says Kushner was only given a basic TS clearance, no SCI. Not explicitly stated, but reading between the lines, his clearance was probably granted by the White House security office. In any case, there's almost definitely a personal reason he can't get SCI access because his position would normally require it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.4ef2803ec1a1
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:26 PM   #108773
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SCI typically requires passing a poly

Kinda laughable considering how unreliable they are known to be, but the poly is incredibly stressful to go through and some end up cracking just due to the stress
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:28 PM   #108774
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Trump Inserts Himself Into Brexit Debate, Criticizing Theresa May
President Trump on Thursday intervened directly in Britain’s fraught debate over withdrawal from the European Union, saying that Prime Minister Theresa May’s plans to keep close economic ties with the bloc could “kill” a possible trade deal with the United States.

In an interview with The Sun, Mr. Trump also said that Mrs. May had ignored his advice on negotiations over Britain’s departure, known as Brexit.

“I would have done it much differently,” Mr. Trump was quoted as saying. “I actually told Theresa May how to do it, but she didn’t listen to me.” Instead she went “the opposite way,” and the results have been “very unfortunate,” he said.

Mr. Trump also said that Boris Johnson, a Brexit hard-liner who resigned from Mrs. May’s government this week, would make “a great prime minister.”
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:30 PM   #108775
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Trump, in an interview with The Sun newspaper, said he felt unwelcome in London because of protests, including plans to fly a giant balloon over Parliament on Friday that depicts him as an angry baby in a diaper.

“I guess when they put out blimps to make me feel unwelcome, no reason for me to go to London,” he said.

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Trump also blamed recent terrorist attacks there on Khan, who is a Muslim. The president claimed Europe is “losing its culture” because of immigration from the Middle East and Africa.

“Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a sham,” he said. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.”
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