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Old 06-28-2018, 04:10 AM   #51
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I hope nobody tells Trump he technically can nominate anybody to the SCOTUS, including his own family members, even Barron.

Or foreign nationals... like Xi, Kim, or Putin.
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Old 06-28-2018, 04:28 AM   #52
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i can think of at least one way to prevent anyone dying from an abortion
And I can think of at least one way to prevent anyone from shooting themselves or a loved one with a firearm.
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Old 06-28-2018, 04:42 AM   #53
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i can think of at least one way to prevent anyone dying from an abortion
You want to go full-on Handmaid's Tale?
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:00 AM   #54
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Hahaha, when abortion becomes illegal we’ll be more backwards than the Irish.
HaHa. We might actually be one of the few beacons of hope (and too small to really be of any use) right now. As more and more EU countries flirt with fascist parties, we have no far Right political parties. None. In the past couple of years, we were the first country in the world whose citizens voted directly for same sex marriage and we got rid of our anti-abortion laws. Plus, our Prime Minister is a young guy in his forties who is the son of an immigrant from India.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:01 AM   #55
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And I can think of at least one way to prevent anyone from shooting themselves or a loved one with a firearm.
such as? i was suggesting not having the abortion. whats your suggestion for preventing anyone from shooting themselves or a loved one?
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:04 AM   #56
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You want to go full-on Handmaid's Tale?
ive never seen it but if they are advocating to not kill a human being then sure
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:14 AM   #57
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Hint: Outlawing abortions will "prevent anyone dying from an abortion" about as well as outlawing heroin prevents anyone from dying from heroin.

You'd essentially have to strip women of any personal freedom and tightly control every aspect of their live to come close to "prevent anyone dying from an abortion". Otherwise a lack of legal options for abortions will only result in illegal, and more risky, procedures being performed.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:21 AM   #58
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It means thousands of women dying trying to abort their pregnancies illegally and dangerously.
The last published article I could find in a peer-reviewed journal seems to suggest a maternal death rate in "unsafe" abortions of about .03%. The most recent # for US abortions I could find was 2014 - 652.5 K or so.

If you assume that every one of those ended up being done illegally (which is a surrogate for the "unsafe" abortion above, you'd end up with somewhere around 1800 deaths. That number is probably way too high - abortion isn't going away in any number of Blue states, which have the highest populations. So as a scientific wild ass guess, several hundred. Of course, you have to add in long term/chronic problems arising from the procedure, which add significant morbidity. So while I doubt you'd see thousands of deaths, you'd see a lot more than we have now (close to zero) and a lot more infectious/chronic infertility problems to go along. I'd also guess the death rate might be lower for a couple of other reasons - the # of abortions being done has been dropping for a decade or so, and I'd guess that a fair number of women who would die from an unsafe abortion in second/third world countries would survive in the US - death is usually from sepsis or bleeding, and both are fixable if you get seen soon enough by someone who knows what to do. But as the current # of deaths is close to zero (I've been practicing for 25 years and have never seen one (or heard of one, for that matter, in the places I work) any increase is going to be significant.

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Old 06-28-2018, 05:22 AM   #59
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Hint: Outlawing abortions will "prevent anyone dying from an abortion" about as well as outlawing heroin prevents anyone from dying from heroin.
yes, i agree with this. i never said anything about outlawing abortion.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:23 AM   #60
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So what solution did you have in mind that would prevent anyone dying from an abortion?
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:27 AM   #61
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HaHa. We might actually be one of the few beacons of hope (and too small to really be of any use) right now. As more and more EU countries flirt with fascist parties, we have no far Right political parties. None.
Not actually true as we do have The National Party, founded by our very own extreme right wingnut, Justin Barrett.

There's also the Immigration Control Platform who are more your single-issue racists.

It is fortunately correct to say almost no-one votes for far right parties here, at the moment.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:40 AM   #62
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So what solution did you have in mind that would prevent anyone dying from an abortion?
its like 4 posts up bro


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i was suggesting not having the abortion.
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Old 06-28-2018, 05:50 AM   #63
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So you are basically just wishing that we were living in an alternative universe where no one wants to have abortions. That's not a "way to prevent anyone dying from an abortion" though, unless you have some suggestions on how to get to that state.

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ive never seen it but if they are advocating to not kill a human being then sure
It's all very pro-life, you might be a big fan of that society.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:06 AM   #64
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So you are basically just wishing that we were living in an alternative universe where no one wants to have abortions. That's not a "way to prevent anyone dying from an abortion" though, unless you have some suggestions on how to get to that state.
ok ill give it a shot. cut any funding for abortion clinics and make the woman pay for it, instead of everyone else. if you truly feel there is a giant coalition of people who think a woman has a choice to her own body or whatever that means, then surely there will be a large fund anyone and everyone can contribute out of their own pocket to. my theory is once people have to pay for the killing of another human being they probably wont ante up, the price of the abortion will sky rocket since its not being subsidized, noone is going to pay or it at that point, PP goes out of business and abortion becomes almost non existent
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:18 AM   #65
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Not actually true as we do have The National Party, founded by our very own extreme right wingnut, Justin Barrett.

There's also the Immigration Control Platform who are more your single-issue racists.

It is fortunately correct to say almost no-one votes for far right parties here, at the moment.
Thanks. I'd never heard of The National Party. Wikipedia tells me that they formed in 2016 and held their first annual conference (50 people attended) last year in ... Donald Trump's hotel in county Clare. Of course that's where the ****ers would hold it.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:20 AM   #66
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my theory is once people have to pay for the killing of another human being they probably wont ante up, the price of the abortion will sky rocket since its not being subsidized, noone is going to pay or it at that point, PP goes out of business and abortion becomes almost non existent
If you are in a tight spot financially then coming up with the money for an abortion is way easier than providing for a child. Removing public subsidies for abortions will not change that equation in any meaningful way.

Reality check: Even in most parts of euroland where most healthcare is generally "socialized", elective abortions are paid privately. Public insurance does NOT cover these costs, at least in my country. Abortions are not non existent by any means though.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:22 AM   #67
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and abortion becomes almost non existent
No. You still don't get it. **** off.
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:32 AM   #68
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If you are in a tight spot financially then coming up with the money for an abortion is way easier than providing for a child.
why did the woman get pregnant if she is in a tight spot financially

and consider me in utter shock that euro land actively partakes in genocide
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Old 06-28-2018, 06:43 AM   #69
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and consider me in utter shock that euro land actively partakes in genocide
I believe you may not have comprehended what i wrote: Abortions are NOT subsidized here. But, counter to your thesis, that does not make them almost non existent.
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The last published article I could find in a peer-reviewed journal seems to suggest a maternal death rate in "unsafe" abortions of about .03%. The most recent # for US abortions I could find was 2014 - 652.5 K or so.

If you assume that every one of those ended up being done illegally (which is a surrogate for the "unsafe" abortion above, you'd end up with somewhere around 1800 deaths. That number is probably way too high - abortion isn't going away in any number of Blue states, which have the highest populations. So as a scientific wild ass guess, several hundred. Of course, you have to add in long term/chronic problems arising from the procedure, which add significant morbidity. So while I doubt you'd see thousands of deaths, you'd see a lot more than we have now (close to zero) and a lot more infectious/chronic infertility problems to go along. I'd also guess the death rate might be lower for a couple of other reasons - the # of abortions being done has been dropping for a decade or so, and I'd guess that a fair number of women who would die from an unsafe abortion in second/third world countries would survive in the US - death is usually from sepsis or bleeding, and both are fixable if you get seen soon enough by someone who knows what to do. But as the current # of deaths is close to zero (I've been practicing for 25 years and have never seen one (or heard of one, for that matter, in the places I work) any increase is going to be significant.

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conversely you'd probably see a lot more children being born if there are impediments to legally killing the fetus!
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As for which "big" decisions could be reversed, I think Roe v. Wade is the one in the most danger.

Abortion is still a cornerstone issue on the right in a way that gay marriage isn't, really. Plus, from what I understand about SCOTUS dynamics, they don't like to revisit cases that were recently decided. So gay marriage *might* be safe, although I wouldn't fully count on it.
Lisa Murkowski and/or Susan Collins will block any nomination they think will threaten this ruling. Expect them to be "courted" heavily for their approval of any nomination.
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Old 06-28-2018, 07:10 AM   #72
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Stupid question: If Mueller somehow proofs that Trump did stuff which should get him impeached and he gets impeached can you declare all his choices for judges etc null and void esp if there was election meddling?
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Old 06-28-2018, 07:18 AM   #73
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You know that if things get real ugly in US, there is a way to get even uglier and have to elect all 9 again because something remarkably unacceptable happened like a true revolution where all the tyrants fall the old fashioned way!

If US this fall doesnt completely terminate this shamelessly republican backed fascist train wreck then we have a seriously ethically dead society going on here that fully deserves the abyss. Too bad the beautiful country itself, its kids and its potential never deserved this nightmare.

This is what you get when you want to have a Clinton win no matter what (after the failed 2008 run) and push such poor character choices to people after first having tilted the poor logic centrists with all kinds of divisive low impact social warrior type projects and political correctness running crazy. All those truly important social projects now that could have been fought a lot better will be delayed because the big game was lost so ridiculously with such mfer for president winning the joke of the century. Clinton was 100 times better than this going on now but you should never go to an election with the best of two evils. The first woman deserved something better as background.

It has now become the true ethical responsibility of any conservative to examine closely what is happening and reject their own party if they cant change its soul. There is nothing wrong with being conservative if done right. This is not it. It is a brave and necessary choice to prevent the abyss that is coming and halt the damaging power of this imbecile in chief.

Also shame on Kennedy for not having the decency or heroism even to wait and do this a few months later, knowing full well that he was the person that was deciding critical issues and not a hardcore conservative, having instead the audacity to give such questionable character "president" such gift.


PS: I still have no idea how someone like Comey is not on suicide watch list. The audacity of that person to even think that he was doing the right thing. If there is a time to victimize your principles in order to save much higher ones that affect more people that was it. A rational person could see forward how horribly dangerous was to give the slightest chance to such unethical person as Trump to become prenazident.
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Old 06-28-2018, 07:30 AM   #74
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pro tip: when a poster is as absurdly bad as the bad poster ITT, don't argue, don't quote their posts, put them on ignore and wait for them to get bored or get banned.
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Old 06-28-2018, 08:30 AM   #75
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Stupid question: If Mueller somehow proofs that Trump did stuff which should get him impeached and he gets impeached can you declare all his choices for judges etc null and void esp if there was election meddling?
Even if part 1 happened, part 2 is pretty much a fantasy. You'd be, in essence, impeaching all the judges that have been selected by Trump and were also confirmed by the Senate.
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