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Old 07-12-2018, 06:08 PM   #276
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It's odd that he has any debt at all. He's one of the most prominent circuit judges in the country and he's (relatively) poor. Where's all the book/teaching/lecture money all the other judges get?
I mean in one sense it might be surprisingly and deeply charming, a career long public servant who seemingly has the net worth you'd expect of a career long public servant.

Until you discover that we're being asked to believe he went $200k into debt buying tickets to meaningless MLB games, all of which has recently been paid off before being nominated to the Supreme Court in what is potentially a long-orchestrated plan of the guy retiring, for whom he used to clerk, lorded over by a President who might know a thing or two about a good grift.

But: as I said, the likeliest outcome is he's a repressed middle aged white guy jurist with some sort of vice like sticking his dick in other women or playing dice or something. Or he's involved in some sort of convoluted petty grift that might have even really involved baseball tickets to launder whatever dirty money schemes he had going on. Dunno.

But no one likes Nationals baseball that much, is what I'm saying.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:28 PM   #277
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Just popping in to note that while I haven't the foggiest clue what the real scam/vice Kavanaugh has going on in his personal life, there ain't no ****ing way the dude racked up six figures of debt ****ing Nationals baseball tickets. He probably just likes to bet the ponies or has an expensive girlfriend or whatever mildly depraved thing pasty middle aged white guys blow their money on and then try to cover up when scrutinized, but we can't discount some massive financial chicanery wherein Kavanaugh is the personal beneficiary.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ickets/565022/

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Kavanaugh reported similar figures—$60,000 to $200,000 in debt, on three credit cards and a loan—in 2006, then paid that down over the course of the next few years.
By next few years, they mean 11 years until 2017.

I haven't ready what his salary was during the time he worked in the Bush Whitehouse, but my guess is it was about $80-100k -- not exactly killing it for a couple with two kids (presumably) in private school in DC.

ETA: Kids are younger then I was thinking, so they didn't have both kids before he was made circuit court judge.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/The...es-E234426.htm

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By the time of his 2017 disclosure, the debts were gone, and Shah said that Kavanaugh’s only current debt is a home mortgage.
Even at $200k, paying that off at $18k/year doesn't seem to raise an eyebrow for a dual-income family where the principal wage earner earns $200-220k/year, if they are sufficiently motivated.

Its likely that he's refinanced his mortgage and rolled credit card debt into that loan.

Not sure I've seen any mention of his retirement funds, but given his government job, I doubt the Kavanaugh's are putting away 20% of their pre-tax salary into IRA savings.

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These numbers could put a dent in Kavanaugh’s salary. His disclosures show that if confirmed, he would have the smallest net worth of any justice. Getting the gig would probably inflate his assets. As a judge on the D.C. Circuit, he makes $220,600 a year, which would bump up to $255,300 on the Supreme Court. He might benefit in other ways, too: Justice Sonia Sotomayor scored a book advance of more than $1 million after joining the Court.
I would expect that his daughters' college funds are woefully underfunded at this point. Though, a nice book deal will probably fix that.

None of this seems suspicious.

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Old 07-12-2018, 06:32 PM   #278
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By next few years, they mean 11 years until 2017.

I haven't ready what his salary was during the time he worked in the Bush Whitehouse, but my guess is it was about $80-100k -- not exactly killing it for a couple with two kids (presumably) in private school in DC.



Even at $200k, paying that off at $18k/year doesn't seem to raise an eyebrow for a dual-income family where the principal earns $200-220k/year, if they are sufficiently motivated.

Not sure I've seen any mention of his retirement funds, but given his government job, I doubt the Kavanaugh's are putting away 20% of their pre-tax salary into IRA savings.



I would expect that his daughters' college funds are woefully underfunded at this point. Though, a nice book deal will probably fix that.

None of this seems suspicious.
I understood the article a little differently.

He incurred a debt of $60-200k in 2006 that he paid off over several years. He also incurred a separate $60-200k debt last year that he has paid in full.
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By next few years, they mean 11 years until 2017.

I haven't ready what his salary was during the time he worked in the Bush Whitehouse, but my guess is it was about $80-100k -- not exactly killing it for a couple with two kids (presumably) in private school in DC.

ETA: Kids are younger then I was thinking, so they didn't have both kids before he was made circuit court judge.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/The...es-E234426.htm



Even at $200k, paying that off at $18k/year doesn't seem to raise an eyebrow for a dual-income family where the principal wage earner earns $200-220k/year, if they are sufficiently motivated.

Its likely that he's refinanced his mortgage and rolled credit card debt into that loan.

Not sure I've seen any mention of his retirement funds, but given his government job, I doubt the Kavanaugh's are putting away 20% of their pre-tax salary into IRA savings.



I would expect that his daughters' college funds are woefully underfunded at this point. Though, a nice book deal will probably fix that.

None of this seems suspicious.
So from your post, we learn:

- Kavanaugh had debt dating back a decade (I agree this is uninteresting)
- some guesses as to what Kavanaugh's salary was while in public service
- some guesses as to how he might have amortized his debt including a potential refinance of his home and what kind of equity he might have his in retirement funds
- the state of his daughters' education funds
- his potential revenues from book sales

...then we declare "none of this seems suspicious."

Unremarked on by you: the White House is claiming his debt was incurred purchasing baseball tickets

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.34e21d02a1df

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White House spokesman Raj Shah told The Washington Post that Kavanaugh built up the debt by buying Washington Nationals season tickets and tickets for playoff games for himself and a “handful” of friends.
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The credit card debts and loan were either paid off or fell below the reporting requirements in 2017, according to the filings, which do not require details on the nature or source of such payments. Shah told The Post that Kavanaugh’s friends reimbursed him for their share of the baseball tickets and that the judge has since stopped purchasing the season tickets.

Shah did not provide the names of the friends or additional details about the tickets. Kavanaugh, who is known to be a Nationals fan, declined to comment.

Shah said the payments for the tickets were made at the end of 2016 and paid off early the next year.
His bizarre spending habits on baseball tickets which by the White House's admission contributed to large personal debts have now been drawn down due to recent reimbursements from friends.

"Nothing suspicious here," says man venturing guess as to his salary over a decade ago for unclear reasons to refute stories of his personal spending habits on sporting events incurring large debts, now settled by friends.
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I mean, there is this paragraph:

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The more important, and curious, question is not how Kavanaugh accrued the debts attributed to the baseball tickets, but how he paid them down. It’s strange to imagine that a man of comparatively modest means would put tens of thousands of dollars on credit cards to buy baseball tickets, but even stranger that they would have been paid off so fast. The White House says that Kavanaugh’s friends reimbursed him for the tickets, and that he no longer buys them. The fact remains that Kavanaugh suddenly cleared at least $60,000 and as much as $200,000 in mysterious debt over one year—sums large enough that senators might well want to know who the sources of the payments were.
I presume we'll hear more about this in the next few weeks.
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So from your post, we learn:

- Kavanaugh had debt dating back a decade (I agree this is uninteresting)
- some guesses as to what Kavanaugh's salary was while in public service
- some guesses as to how he might have amortized his debt including a potential refinance of his home and what kind of equity he might have his in retirement funds
- the state of his daughters' education funds
- his potential revenues from book sales

...then we declare "none of this seems suspicious."

Unremarked on by you: the White House is claiming his debt was incurred purchasing baseball tickets

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...=.34e21d02a1df





His bizarre spending habits on baseball tickets which by the White House's admission contributed to large personal debts have now been drawn down due to recent reimbursements from friends.

Nothing suspicious here, says man venturing guess as to his salary over a decade ago for unclear reasons to refute stories of his personal spending habits on sporting events incurring large debts now settled by friends.
OK. From your post we learn no actual evidence of any wrong doing.

Correct, nothing suspicious here.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:48 PM   #282
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This being a poker site, I'm pretty sure we've all observed how tightly and suspiciously non-poker players deal with large sums of money when transacting with other people.

So yeah, color me skeptical that family man Brett Kavanaugh is like "sure I'm gonna taken on tens (hundreds?) of thousands in debt for these Nationals tickets, hit me back whenever guys, I know you're good for it", which is behavior that would otherwise only ever be seen in the HSNL forum.

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OK. From your post we learn no actual evidence of any wrong doing.

Correct, nothing suspicious here.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:54 PM   #283
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Me, a stupid person: "So this guy racked up thousands of dollars of baseball ticket debts and recently had it paid off by friends? That's suspicious"

You, a smart person: "He made a salary in 2006. Also he probably refinanced his house"

Me, a stupid person: "...uhh, OK, but it's kind of suspicious he bought tens of thousands of dollars of baseball tickets and it was all recently paid off right before he became an even more powerful person"

You, a smart person: "well, if you insist, this piece detailing the fact he suspiciously bought tens of thousands of dollars of baseball tickets and it was all recently paid off before he became an even more powerful person? Is that what you mean? Perhaps we will find out more about this, someday"

Me, a stupid person: "uhh, yeah, that's exactly what I ****ing mean. So we agree this is suspicious then?"

You, a smart person: "You have no evidence of wrongdoing"
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I'm sure Rosenstein will be looking into whether Kavanaugh broke the law. I'm not the least bit concerned that any actual evidence of any wrong doing will be made public.

Until then... correct, nothing suspicious.
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Until then... correct, nothing suspicious.
If anyone's at all curious how brainwashed conservatives have become, check out Lapdogator proclaiming as a new rule that even cover stories that are suspicious on their face can't be considered "suspicious" without more evidence

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I mean in one sense it might be surprisingly and deeply charming, a career long public servant who seemingly has the net worth you'd expect of a career long public servant.

Until you discover that we're being asked to believe he went $200k into debt buying tickets to meaningless MLB games, all of which has recently been paid off before being nominated to the Supreme Court in what is potentially a long-orchestrated plan of the guy retiring, for whom he used to clerk, lorded over by a President who might know a thing or two about a good grift.

But: as I said, the likeliest outcome is he's a repressed middle aged white guy jurist with some sort of vice like sticking his dick in other women or playing dice or something. Or he's involved in some sort of convoluted petty grift that might have even really involved baseball tickets to launder whatever dirty money schemes he had going on. Dunno.

But no one likes Nationals baseball that much, is what I'm saying.
Dvaut, have you seen the GLOW documentary on Netflix? Seems up your alley.



Also, **** off, the Nats are great.
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Who amongst us hasn't taken out a mortgage to attend a base-ball contest
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If anyone's at all curious how brainwashed conservatives have become, check out Lapdogator proclaiming as a new rule that even cover stories that are suspicious on their face can't be considered "suspicious" without more evidence

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Liberals, stupid people: "WHAT THE ****???"
Lapdogator, smart person: "I'm sure Rosenstein will investigate, nothing suspicious until then!"
Most likely, Rosenstein will have a press conference and declare that Brett was extremely careless, but not grossly negligent.

He'll go on to say that Brett's wife didn't do anything wrong when she bankrupted that college in VT.
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I thought I would just be here to note my skepticism about Kavanaugh's baseball ticket habit, but this one caught my eye.

If it's any comfort, the likely apex of the American Fourth Reich isn't the genocide of racial minorities but the erosion of the basic functions of democracy to facilitate rent seeking and resource extraction for the benefit of billionaires.

Now don't get me wrong, the same people will certainly fund an increasingly militarized class of cops and other official goons to beat the **** out of black people and imprison immigrant babies and the like, I ain't paintin' rainbows over here, but I maintain the principle motivating factor of the elites is to perpetuate The Grift Economy. That is to say, I think you get this subtly and slightly backwards. The dogwhite racists and white supremacists are deeply sincere to their core. While they are certainly many liars and charlatans in the ranks, they start with sincere priors beyond immediate financial self-interest. Say what you will about the tenants of America's tens of millions of angry grandpas whose main concern with the future of America is Why Do These Young Bucks Not Pull Their Pants Up, but at least it's an ethos, man.

The persistent lack of intellectual sincerity and bad faith arguments we see everywhere are not primarily from future Nazis, although surely they sometimes embrace the style. But the primary authors and protectors of perpetual bad faith were and remain part of a now generations' long figurative Discourse filibuster to assist in the fleecing. The Discourse was the liberals cherished plaything and the right-wingers and elites figured out long ago that they could simply be the class clowns and troll everyone into submission while technocrats and West Wing fans try desperately to drag them into some sort of mythical pluralist consensus because of how much liberals fetishized elite buy-in. Bad faith and insincerity is just Weaponized The Discourse, just the tool the more cynical and unscrupulous types unleashed to keep liberals busy while they got down to business, unleashing tons of cons and scams. That liberals, pundits, naive elites, and whoever else paid any attention at all from **** like Trick Down Economics and School Choice and Payday Loan Solutions for Unbanked Communities to Charles Murray's race theories to The Iraqi War For Freedom, really the entire panoply of right-wing bull**** over the last 50 years or whatever -- that was really all the audiences' fault for taking it seriously. America's class of racist grandpas and neo Nazi incel 4channers and YouToobers, they're really the ones with their hearts in this. The total insincere, bad faith bull**** perpetuated by America's right-winger elites is just to keep liberals and The Vox types busy with Explainers and Data Journalism about why yet again this flippant right-wing bull**** is totally inane and barely coherent, instead of encouraging everyone to pick up rocks and start throwing them at billionaires and their property. Put differently: Paul Ryan is a Serious Tax Policy Wonk is utter bull**** but it's much better dicking around debating the merits of that kind of nonsense than "hey should we buy into a political and economic system in which billionaires get everything?" And if keeping a straight face for long enough to say "Paul Ryan Serious Tax Policy Wonk" is the ruse they have to do to keep you entertained thinking about that instead of "hey should we just seize all of Elon Musk's stuff?", then that's what they'll do.
This is all excellent.

As a recent example Anthony Kennedy, who we now know was just a crooked political operator who happened to be a Supreme Court Justice, claimed that someone MIGHT produce evidence of harm resulting from partisan gerrymandering sufficient to confer standing for a Constitutional claim. What he's really doing is engaging in low grade trolling dressed up in flowery legal jargon.

The Supreme Court as presently comprised will bat down any challenge to partisan gerrymandering. Yet liberals, whose hearts are in the right place, will waste precious time learning constitutional law as if there's an argument that these federalist society ghouls will receive in good faith.
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The Supreme Court as presently comprised will bat down any challenge to partisan gerrymandering. Yet liberals, whose hearts are in the right place, will waste precious time learning constitutional law as if there's an argument that these federalist society ghouls will receive in good faith.
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Anyway, probably can't post for a while, just noting that the Kavanaugh story here is probably pretty boring, but that in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Eighteen that a presumptive SCOTUS justice's federal disclosure forms revealed six figures of consumer and personal loan debts which have recently been paid off by friends, for which the justification is basically "baseball tickets" and no one will have the budget, time, or attention span to cover or care about any of this because these sorts of stories make Kavanaugh only the 3683535th unseemliest person in our political culture. In fact the most shocking thing about this is that we've learned that a powerful judge isn't already a multi-millionaire many times over and has to scrabble hard for his cash.

Lapidator is ultimately correct this a big nothingburger because we simply take it at face value now that people with immense political power just have six and seven figure sums float around mysteriously in and out of their lives as a matter of course, and no one has the attention span to follow up, because later today we'll find out Scott Pruitt's wife Marilynn Pruitt has somehow now been nominated the Interim EPA Administrator to replace recently disgraced EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, and she signed off on permission for ExxonMobile to drain the oceans of the world and empty its waters into West Virginia and in exchange she has had her franchise fees waived on a series of Five Guys she's opening in Alexandria Virginia.

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So the official reporting requirement is 5-6 figures. $60,000 to $200,000 range.

The initial accusation in this thread (based on no evidence) is immediately set to the high side of the range, to wit "6 figures".

The follow-up accusation in this thread (based on no evidence) is now "six and seven figure sums float around mysteriously".

Post some evidence when you find it.

The further accusation that "no one has the budget, time or attention span to cover it" is nonsense. There are many stories on this topic in the recent 24hr news cycle. DAG Rosenstein has asked for dozens of federal prosecutors to help vet Kavanaugh -- and we all know that they will turn over even the smallest pebbles to see what crawls out.

I remain confident that any actual evidence of any wrong doing by Kavanaugh will be found and published.

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This is all excellent.

As a recent example Anthony Kennedy, who we now know was just a crooked political operator who happened to be a Supreme Court Justice, claimed that someone MIGHT produce evidence of harm resulting from partisan gerrymandering sufficient to confer standing for a Constitutional claim. What he's really doing is engaging in low grade trolling dressed up in flowery legal jargon.

The Supreme Court as presently comprised will bat down any challenge to partisan gerrymandering. Yet liberals, whose hearts are in the right place, will waste precious time learning constitutional law as if there's an argument that these federalist society ghouls will receive in good faith.
So learning constitutional law is wasting precious time?
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as a liberal? yes. as a conservate? only so that you can provide the thinnest cover to allow republicans and conservatives to act as they wish and dems can get ****ed.
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"Brett Kavanaugh gave my daughter an appellate clerkship, so of course he would make a fine SCOTUS justice." --some ****ing legacy Yalie dickwad, stating the quiet partsw aloud

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