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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I still think a lot of liberal elites haven't come around the how crazy Republicans are and still hold out for some kind of moderating Grand Bargain. Yglesias is just ahead of the curve in realizing how serious Republicans actually are and what's it's actually going to take
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Yup, I think this is 100% correct. The only issue I would have is providing an explanation via fallback on the ole (quasi-Marxist) corporatist shills claim. I think that's maybe 33% of it and doesn't often enough track with individual motivations. I think tribalism, careerism, provincialism, evangelicalism, and racism are at least as significant, though the specific influence varies a lot between individuals and groups. And also, Trump and the GOP play to the gut, not the mind. They are human beings from 100k years ago acting in line with their instincts, which are often significant influence on "intellectual" conclusions. Infomation and intellectual scrutiny are the enemies.
I mean supporters of the Nazi party were not all people who just happened to arrive at the same policy positions re national socialism--there were many different influences. The lack of intellectual sincerity in the GOP is key, though, and Bush and Trump and their todies have shown that rational arguments are merely props, like the money-laundering donut shop where donuts sold represent 5% of the funds they end up depositing at the bank.
I thought I would just be here to note my skepticism about Kavanaugh's baseball ticket habit, but this one caught my eye.
If it's any comfort, the likely apex of the American Fourth Reich isn't the genocide of racial minorities but the erosion of the basic functions of democracy to facilitate rent seeking and resource extraction for the benefit of billionaires.
Now don't get me wrong, the same people will certainly fund an increasingly militarized class of cops and other official goons to beat the **** out of black people and imprison immigrant babies and the like, I ain't paintin' rainbows over here, but I maintain the principle motivating factor of the elites is to perpetuate The Grift Economy. That is to say, I think you get this subtly and slightly backwards. The dogwhite racists and white supremacists are deeply sincere to their core. While they are certainly many liars and charlatans in the ranks, they start with sincere priors beyond immediate financial self-interest. Say what you will about the tenants of America's tens of millions of angry grandpas whose main concern with the future of America is Why Do These Young Bucks Not Pull Their Pants Up, but at least it's an ethos, man.
The persistent lack of intellectual sincerity and bad faith arguments we see everywhere are not primarily from future Nazis, although surely they sometimes embrace the style. But the primary authors and protectors of perpetual bad faith were and remain part of a now generations' long figurative Discourse filibuster to assist in the fleecing. The Discourse was the liberals cherished plaything and the right-wingers and elites figured out long ago that they could simply be the class clowns and troll everyone into submission while technocrats and West Wing fans try desperately to drag them into some sort of mythical pluralist consensus because of how much liberals fetishized elite buy-in. Bad faith and insincerity is just Weaponized The Discourse, just the tool the more cynical and unscrupulous types unleashed to keep liberals busy while they got down to business, unleashing tons of cons and scams. That liberals, pundits, naive elites, and whoever else paid any attention at all from **** like Trick Down Economics and School Choice and Payday Loan Solutions for Unbanked Communities to Charles Murray's race theories to The Iraqi War For Freedom, really the entire panoply of right-wing bull**** over the last 50 years or whatever -- that was really all the audiences' fault for taking it seriously. America's class of racist grandpas and neo Nazi incel 4channers and YouToobers, they're really the ones with their hearts in this. The total insincere, bad faith bull**** perpetuated by America's right-winger elites is just to keep liberals and The Vox types busy with Explainers and Data Journalism about why yet again this flippant right-wing bull**** is totally inane and barely coherent, instead of encouraging everyone to pick up rocks and start throwing them at billionaires and their property. Put differently: Paul Ryan is a Serious Tax Policy Wonk is utter bull**** but it's much better dicking around debating the merits of that kind of nonsense than "hey should we buy into a political and economic system in which billionaires get everything?" And if keeping a straight face for long enough to say "Paul Ryan Serious Tax Policy Wonk" is the ruse they have to do to keep you entertained thinking about that instead of "hey should we just seize all of Elon Musk's stuff?", then that's what they'll do.
Last edited by DVaut1; 07-12-2018 at 06:02 PM.