The Saudis are horrible, I have always thought this. Now that everyone agrees that the Saudis are horrible I will defend the Saudis because people think they are horrible for the wrong reason. I am very smart and also very liberal. Definitely not a Russian troll.

they just murdered a WaPo journalist

US political morality summarized in one sentence. Doesn't matter the party. It's like with institutional racism in the old days. Everyone who says this is part of the problem.

Honestly I am not surprised that Trump doesnt want to cut his arms deals. Its common practice not just in USA but also in other countries that they turn a blind eye to human right violations if it could jeopardize jobs.
When I have my real idealistic moments I imagine what I would like to do. Iwouldnt want to trade with any country having the death penalty, countries who violate due process, violate human rights and rely on child labour. There wouldn't be much left, it will certainly negativly affect the people in my country but I can feel good about myself. Its just a ****ty world and thats why countries get away with these crimes. China and the USA(but not limited to those two) can basically do what they want but there wont be any actions because we need their markets.

This is a nice touch

Well said. A refreshing bit of realism.

RIP in peace to that cleaning company

Strawman. No one said it is "Trumps fault."

Also not seen: Assertions that it's the EU's fault.

Assertion without evidence, possible lie.


Who is "they" specifically?

And what would that be?

No one would put you in charge of anything involving money (this is merely an opinion based on observable evidence, not intended to be taken as fact).

They already get arms "off the Russians or Chinese."

Who is "we?"

"We" know you don't, comrade.

I see a red door and I want it freshly painted

Ideas that need to be abandoned:

1. Other people are doing bad things, many actually worse than this bad thing, so it is therefore also OK to do this bad thing and you should shut up about it.

2. My enemy's enemy is my friend.

this must be the russian version of “I have a lot of black friends...”

Pretty unlikely he's russian. But it is a bog-standard conservative troll tactic to claim a bunch of liberal views while putting forth tired conservative talking points.

Maybe not Russian, but claims to be European and writes English with Slavic tics.

I don't think our unending stream of trolling Euros are actually being paid, but it's uncanny how ~100% of them are always on the pro-Putin side.

I've always hated your #2. It's right up there for me with the totally useless "It could be worse!", which I guess could be loosely related to your #1.

This Khashoggi murder and aftermath is an unbelievably aggressive assault on diplomatic norms (Capt. Obv), and the incompetent, unfocused, full-on pussy way Trump is responding clearly indicates his administration is compromised here. That's not a surprise, but what SA is doing is so egregious. They killed and disposed of him and everyone knows it because they want it that way. They are parading cleaning crews inside in full view of the press! Im assuming Facebook is banned in SA so they weren't able to post WE KILLED HIM SO WHAT on there.

I don't know what has happened with $ here. MBS claimed to have Jared in his "back pocket." Trump's out there lying about arms deals numbers. Who knows if he just loves to lie, got cut in, or has just been so gobsmacked by SA's wealth he has become servile. What further confuses me is Lindsey Graham's public "anger" about all this. After his risible, choreographed tantrum at the Kavanaugh hearing I thought he was hand in hand with Trump and his cute little chap ass manlet anger was a new administration tool. Now he's on the Fox couch, feet dangling, doing his gin blossomed, ventriloquist dummy spewing vitriol routine about how MBS has got to go. And when he talks directly to the camera he's talking to Trump, undoubtedly splayed on his bed as a graceless pile of terrycloth, tangerine cellulite, and fish sandwich wrappers. So if Trump doesn't do jack, does something like Graham and Rubio's anger about this get anything done in the Senate?

The aftermath of the nuclear holocaust Trump will leave in his wake is a lock to involve some intrepid young 20 something leaving his home to travel the American Wastelands in 2050 to search for the LEGENDARY MARCO RUBIO, rumored to be protecting the old pre annihilated world order in a distant utopian outpost he read exists somewhere. The news articles he salvaged from the irradiated rubble near his hut confirms MARCO RUBIO was a real person, he actually lived, and he was brave and people looked to him in the dark times before the missiles launched. He must be out there somewhere, he thinks. His ancestors wouldn't have just made him up. Finding MARCO RUBIO will be the key to restoring the world he sees in the surviving photos. His wise but crazy old taciturn grandfather who survived the apocalypse tells him not to waste his time, don't bother. But how could so many have believed in MARCO RUBIO been wrong, he thinks. He must be real, he must be the warrior that the ancient scribes wrote about.

Well I don't come here for the optimism. If I had to guess we'll Magnitsky (I'm using it as a verb) some obscure royal family member distant cousins or whatever the ****. Repubs will be like "We froze $2 billion in assets!" and again, we'll have no damn idea whose assets they are or what that even means. You goddamn Dems never get enough we gave you a million Broett Kav documents.

It's obvious that the US government DGAF about what happened and will work with them to come up with an "acceptable" explanation so that they can continue on like nothing happened.

Rogue actors within the SA government did all this without the consent of their higher ups. They will soon be executed for not noticing the recording devices this horrible crime.

It does at least look like this story is getting reported on significantly (probably not for long). Just now people are reporting nonsense about how maybe he was injected with a sedative and then medical stuff that causes death. Thankfully someone had the bonesaw for some reason. It almost feels like they're publicly floating versions of what happened to see what polls best.

The bone saw is easy to explain, I would imagine the Saudi corpse dismemberment expert that happened to be in town doesn't leave home without one.

Insisting on due process for brutal foreign dictator / murderers already prepared to confess to own the libs

"Brett, hon, in here! You're in the news and it's not the hearing or that godawful woman."

"Oh nice is it the opinion I wrote-"

"The president mentioned you almost reflexively when asked about state-sponsored bone saw murder."

How did they know there was a bone saw? Turkey bugged the consulate with video? Or the bugged audio had bone cutting noises?

Internet trolling may be the one field where the pros are notably worse than amateurs. I remember during the Ukraine crisis we had a couple of super sketchy noobs coming in here to rant in broken English about how Putin was defending democracy and it was just painfully obvious they were shills. Like I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bother spoofing their IPs.