Saudis Murder Washington Post Columnist in Consulate - Page 14 - Politics and Economics

It doesn't matter if anyone supports their Yemen adventure bec they will never stop. IDK who is the House of Saud's worst enemy - Iran or their own population - but prior to GWB's disastrous mistake at least they only had to contend w/ a Shiite regime to the East. Now there's a Shiite regime to the North and if the Houthis win there will be another to the South. That scenario SA can not tolerate and they will bomb every school bus and commit every atrocity there is to prevent it no matter what anyone says.

Arms embargo, fine, but we don't know how desperate they are to re-load at this time and, sooner or later, someone is going to want the money.

And how is anyone going to prove who's guilty? Anyone we sanction is based on supposition even though it's a reasonable supposition. And, despite SA's apparent need for the income they can turn off the spigot and the world economy goes into the tank.

This is a ****-show of the first order. They've already floated the 'rouge killers' idea and floated a fall-guy as I linked above. What's going to have to happen is that we get force-fed something that no one believes and we will have to swallow it.

You win the responsible approach award, though. OTOH, it won't happen.

The bolded is ridiculous. The United States is refueling in midair Saudi planes that are bombing Yemen. We're an active participant in the war.

If the US put an arms embargo on Saudi Arabia and prevented spare parts for American-built Saudi warplanes from reaching them the war would be over in weeks.

10-20-2018 , 11:44 PM

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Nittery

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Keed has the high ground!

10-20-2018 , 11:51 PM

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Nittery

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This is seriously the first time keed has been right about anything.

10-21-2018 , 12:00 AM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

They'll do a ground invasion if they have to. They can't have Shiite regimes on three sides.

10-21-2018 , 12:17 AM

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I'm quite baffled at when the defense has an argument absolutely nobody but Trump believes and yet beale is here yelling YOU STILL HAVE NO PROOF. There is no other plausible explanation for all the facts we've learned.

If it wasn't for oil we'd have hammered the hell out of them with something already. Though I guess sanctions is all we got really and oh right they own floors in trump tower, lolz.

10-21-2018 , 12:26 AM

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Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

Don't you get it? Everyone knows what happened and yet nobody knows what happened bec if we KNEW what happened and showed actual evidence that it was all on MBS THEN something significant would have to be done about it. The people in charge DON'T want to know what happened for that reason and it could be the reason the Turks haven't released what they say they have.

And it is the case that the world NEEDS the oil. Stop the Saudi supply and have oil at $500/barrel? Tank the world's economy bec of a murdered journalist? That won't be allowed to happen.

10-21-2018 , 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

But this like everything else is a criminal trial according to the right. Need ironclad evidence.
Just because:
The victim went in there
15 saudis went in there
One had a bonesaw
There is an audio recording of someone being tortured
15 saudis came out with bonesaw
A wet work cleaning team went in there
The victim never came out

Doesn’t mean the saudis did anything wrong guys. Did anyone see the guy using the bonesaw? Did the victim report the crime? If there’s no victim was a crime really even committed?

*apologies if I missed some more evidence.

10-21-2018 , 12:29 AM

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Slighted

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If we won’t consider tanking the oil economy for torturing and murdering US residents than where exactly is the line?

Eta- This comes as US oil supply is reaching all time highs according to the Wall Street journal and oil prices are predicted to go down.

10-21-2018 , 12:49 AM

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John21

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Originally Posted by Slighted

You're assuming they went there to kill him and you might be reading too much into the bonesaw, imo.

10-21-2018 , 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

They'll do a ground invasion if they have to. They can't have Shiite regimes on three sides.

The Saudi's Army is worthless (~all of the SA aligned troops in Yemen now are 'locals' or mercenaries) and the part of Yemen they're attacking into is terrible territory to invade, very mountainous. There's been clashes along the border throughout the war and, for the most part, the Saudis have been second best to starving, poorly armed rebels. If there was the slightest chance of it happening it would have happened already, nothing has been stopping them except they're not capable.

10-21-2018 , 02:59 AM

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Howard Beale

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Then they are in very serious trouble.

10-21-2018 , 03:11 AM

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Not sure why the team would panic at a guy raising his voice. One, they're in the Saudi consulate, who's going to hear them, the Saudi consulate workers? Two, they didn't expect a guy who they were either threatening, bringing some bad news, or kidnapping was going to raise his voice?

Also bringing your body disposal guy to the interrogation might be a tip off.

10-21-2018 , 03:18 AM

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pyatnitski

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"He shouted, your honour, so I had no choice. I rest my case."

10-21-2018 , 04:08 AM

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The Saudis are like an impotent version of the nazis. Supporting them, or turning a blind eye to them, is disgusting. Many of the problems in the so-called middle east are grounded in US and Europe wanting oil from warlord mafia thug dictators. It's not just Trump, it's the Clintons and Blairs from yesterday too, and all the people voting for all of them, driving their Teslas, and sipping on cokes.

10-21-2018 , 05:18 AM

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The pretty incredible thing about the Saudi explanation is that it's literally the same explanation that underlies every cop who shoots an unarmed black person.

"He was threatening me"
"He came at me"
"He shouted at me"

I don't know if this is just the natural human bull**** apologetic people just obviously cling to, or if we're evangelizing this.

10-21-2018 , 05:20 AM

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DVaut1

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

Maybe instead of this convoluted mess of 4th level thinking, try an alternate explanation. Go with me here...

MBS simply thought he could dragoon the world's most powerful leader into covering up the murder or at least providing political cover because he bribes him.

Just spitballing here.

10-21-2018 , 05:24 AM

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"Everyone knows what happened yet know one KNOWS what happened because if we KNEW what happened..."

Anytime you find yourself headed down this path, it's good to stop yourself and wonder if you're making any ****ing sense. Usually you won't be.

As I said, use the KISS method: MBS murders people who bother him because he's rich and powerful and he will not be held accountable for his actions because he can use his money and influence to ensure he will not be held accountable, the end.

10-21-2018 , 05:39 AM

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chezlaw

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It's is simple. They know what happens but they have to deny they know what happened because if they admited they knew what happened then they might have to do something that they really dont want to do.

The proof that is required isnt to prove what we already know, it's to make it impossible for tptb to keep up the pretense of not knowing what happened.

10-21-2018 , 06:40 AM

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We all support the Saudis. Buying food shipping on trucks using gas that puts money in their pockets for our ease of life is not mandatory. We are paying for murder as much as anyone else doing business with them.

10-21-2018 , 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DVaut1

not CONVINCING enough due to lack of capitalized WORDS

you can't PROVE that

10-21-2018 , 07:36 AM

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Not me, I drive a Tesla and have a solar panel in my backyard next to the compost pile.

10-21-2018 , 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

What in the damn hell is this? You've got proof? The Turks say they have proof of a murder, as yet unrevealed, and you know for certain who's behind it? The Turks don't say they know who's behind it but you do for sure?

Trolly McTrollson, ladies and gentlemen.

The story *from the Saudis* is that MbS told his security chief to send a black ops team to Turkey to kidnap Khashoggi and then in the course of the kidnapping, they killed him. The legal term for that sequence of events is murder. What more are you looking for here?

10-21-2018 , 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

There was no specific instruction to kidnap Khashoggi, just a general order to retrieve dissidents. They couldn't possibly have known that things would descend into the tragic accident that then unfolded, nor that it would happen on that day or in that location or to Khashoggi. Given these facts it's only natural that mere hours before Khashoggi's death they dispatch to Istanbul the head of the Saudi Scientific Council of Forensics and inventor of the 7 minute mobile autopsy unit.

10-21-2018 , 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

And it is the case that the world NEEDS the oil. Stop the Saudi supply and have oil at $500/barrel? Tank the world's economy bec of a murdered journalist? That won't be allowed to happen.

SA produces 13% of the world oil
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...page=oil_where

US imports 11% of its oil from SA (2015)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrol..._United_States

Current Oil price ~$80/barrel

10-21-2018 , 09:44 AM

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The Saudi threat of a 70s style oil crisis as tit for tat for sanctions is probably a bluff considering how they need Western arms and parts more than ever.

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