I can appreciate Fly is an acquired taste. I am not insisting people appreciate what he does (e.g., it's not "get a sense of humor") -- but the reaction is extremely telling.

The argument is basically that Fly is insulting and abrasive, that he doesn't distinguish between people who are awful and people who are well-intentioned but wrong, that his attacks are simply misdirected. OK, you got him. But that's like a generic description of talking politics on the internet in general. Here and everywhere. Many on this forum are just as insulting, abrasive, flat out wrongly commonly. It's pervasive. There are very few exceptions.

That Fly inspires an army of angry people following him around is because Fly's criticisms are very specific and directed at people who are not used to being treated like that. It's not even that he's really good at identifying racism; tons of people on this forum are fine at that. And yes, I think the kind of specific people who aren't used to being treated like that are special flower white bros who are not accustomed to criticism and react very poorly. That's my point. The more accurate description of Fly is that he knows how to trigger Aspie white dudes with little social grace, he knows just how to identify them and is relentless with them. THAT'S what makes FlyWf unique. It's not that he's a uniquely great social critic (he's smart, he's witty, I like his substantive points -- but that doesn't make him exceptional). It's that he quickly finds the dudes (you can probably quickly name 5 or so of the notorious examples) who are temperamentally oblivious, a specific kind of clueless white guy with low self-awareness. That's Fly's unique trait is finding specifically those guys. He spots them quick and goes hard to the rim with them.

So it's not that you have to laugh along; merely that some of you need to learn to deal with what is a very common human experience.

Hell no on Sarah Palin getting the benefit of the doubt. As I posted early this morning, I don't think Sarah Palin deserves the benefit of the doubt in the least. If she doesn't want to be associated with the alt-right cesspool, then she can quit hanging out in it.

OK. I can buy that.

multiple people criticized Fly's posting as detrimentally antagonistic and you responded 'lol white guys'

Civility and decorum were (and are) big deals in the southern slave states. Veeeeeery important for everyone to be very prim and proper and polite with each other whilst owning people and beating, torturing and raping them on the reg.

I never said you had to laugh along and that wasn't the point. Yet again this seems like simply white knighting for aggrieved white guy internet posters free of context. So I don't agree with 'multiple people' it's determinantal (I find alot of what Fly has to say funny and valuable) and "lol white guys" remains a plea for aggrieved internet white guys to get over themselves.

You're trying to shame people with red herring references to race and gender that have nothing to do with the situation.

No I remain confident "the situation" are the tender sensitivities of people Fly criticizes, how much Fly is responsible for their insecurities, etc. I maintain the observation that they are all white bros with a chip on their shoulder is true and they would do well to take a larger perspective of their role in the world and their perception of Fly's offenses. I believe if they did that, they would react differently.

Again:

- Acknowledging that he is obviously abrasive, Fly isn't exceptionally abrasive or bad, and the internet and tons of human interactions are full of people disgracing and insulting each other
- the people targeted by Fly are subject to a common experience and should learn to cope with criticism differently

Not sure if I'm white or not.

More or less. No great mystery or conspiracy here, she wanted to troll and offend liberals and give a wink and nudge to racists and white supremacists. I also bet she ignorantly figures she has plausible deniability (not that she'd use that term) if some smart alec liberal calls her on it. Plausible deniability that you've bought, hook, line, and sinker.

One of my favorite things about Fly is the part where dumbass right-wing "libertarian" but shockingly supportive of racists 20 something white guy on the internet realizes Fly is...a 20 something white guy on the internet.

And have you figured out why it's uncomfortable?

I think there's a solid chance that Palin had no idea what she was tweeting...at the time. Looking at her feed she (or her staff) appears to spend all day reading and retweeting right-wing derp from the dumbest corners of the internet.

But remember, Clovis himself said "ok well if the tweet is still up tomorrow then that seems bad", as obviously that would be enough time for Palin to become aware of the meaning of what she posted and take appropriate action (at this point Palin or her staff are interchangeable, it's her brand and she's responsible for it, certainly would find out w/in 24 hours if a ****storm was brewing).

Anyone want to take a guess on if it's still there or not?

Stephen A. Smith, imo.

i treat republicans with disdain and for good reason, dont get it twisted.

you're just mad because i haven't had good things to say about your suggestions for "correct liberal strategy", which is kinda surprising, you know, since you're like, not a liberal and stuff

but keep being upset about it, it's doing you a lot of good

Do you think the forum would be better if everyone were to put equal amounts of cursing and rage and emotion into their posts as Fly do?

If even as few as 5ish people would start talking like that i wouldnt be here for sure. I dont even read his posts anymore, i scroll over them, the noise/message ratio is too high.

No. Keep in mind that arguing from the right for me is usually me as a Hillary supporter arguing with a Bernie supporter rather than actually arguing a conservative position.

Well that's a shame. It's hard to imagine that the quality of posting would drop if the majority of us were half the writer that Fly is.

I'm far from upset about it, you are just the very definition of a faux-intellectual and it's obvious to anyone with a brain. But stick to the playbook man. Anyone who sees through your bs just lash out with the "you're like, not a liberal and stuff" to deflect from just how much of a unoriginal poster you are who literally somehow finds superiority in regurgitating whatever uninteresting stuff your read on the internet or saw on MSNBC. You are pretty much the "liberal" version of DJT you are just lack the self-awareness to realize it.

Flys abrasiveness is not without peers....but his total volume of abrasiveness in this forum is unmatched. More Pete Rose than Babe Ruth.

I've argued with fly a couple of times over Hillary vs Bernie stuff, never really felt uncomfortable. Granted, he probably doesn't go full HAM on fellow lefties.

i dont watch msnbc and i'm a college dropout poker player, soooooo...

none of that changes the fact that you are not a liberal, and you are upset enough by my "BS" to call me out by name

bro you don't even lift

I don't get it. Isn't it "do you even lift bro"? That's a face plant of a read if you're actually playing it straight here.

Yeah. And unless you came from a real ****hole like BBV you know that Politics is a pretty embarrassing place to end up on 2p2 and your expectations shouldn't be too high.