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Old 04-05-2016, 01:58 PM   #51
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Nope, but feel free to make stuff up.
So what exactly are you saying here?

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I'm like you, pretty uneducated on the issues and I don't have a dog in the fight. And it's always struck me as strange how taboo it is to question the specifics of the Holocaust. I get that flat out denying it is pretty horrible, but questioning how much of it could be exaggerated in order to support a politically driven narrative seems important. Important for many reasons, one being the West's unrelenting support of Israel is one of the primary reasons given for all these terrorist groups who keep bothering our politicians
It's a problem that people aren't discussing how exaggerated the mainstream views of the holocaust are? How is that not racist or stupid? Do we also need to discuss how Jews lost WWI for Germany?
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Old 04-05-2016, 01:59 PM   #52
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It's one thing if that thing is actually hate speech, but another when it's actually not.
so like, if a mod was screaming obscenities about Mexicans and threatening to abuse his mod powers, you'd be all in favor of taking action against him, right?
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:02 PM   #53
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Well, bruh, I got like ten people jumping down my throat at the moment, and like the article articulates the issues much better than I can. Basically it boils down to the same sort of bs that happens here daily. Someone says something someone else disagrees with, decides it's offensive, and calls for the dorm/classroom/campus to be a safespace and that student or professor to get booted from campus so they don't have to listen to anything they disagree with. It's one thing if that thing is actually hate speech, but another when it's actually not.
If only you had some sort of PROTECTED AREA where you could say anything you want and not have to deal with criticism.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:04 PM   #54
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So what exactly are you saying here?



It's a problem that people aren't discussing how exaggerated the mainstream views of the holocaust are? How is that not racist or stupid? Do we also need to discuss how Jews lost WWI for Germany?
If you read the rest of the post, and the link I provided, I was clearly saying I don't know much about the Holocaust, and I have no reason to think any of the numbers are off at all. But I'm in the West and we are the good guys. I just don't see the wisdom of denying people the right to talk about it freely, and locking people up who disagree with the party line as they do in many countries in Europe. I doubt it actually solves much. Again, free speech is kind of a big deal.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:06 PM   #55
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Foldn, why can't you just say that you think safe spaces have a chilling effect on the expression of certain unpopular opinions that are overwhelmingly associated with a conservative point of view?
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:07 PM   #56
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If only you had some sort of PROTECTED AREA where you could say anything you want and not have to deal with criticism.
Where have I ever asked for this?
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:08 PM   #57
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Can anyone tell me why the most honest way[IMO] of electing anyone being "one person one vote" is not being used in the USA?

Because this "state delegates" bs is not IMO it seems like a lazy way of electing or/and a more easy way for manipulating[if one wanted to do so] elections since 1 delegate can represent tens of thousands of voters, very strange IMO.
Thank you.
It's the opposite of lazy, since it requires more effort than minimally necessary. It's like a closed party list, with a list length of one.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:09 PM   #58
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I'm all about free speech, mang. Sorry if that turns you off.

I've never downplayed the holocaust, btw. That's just you and fly getting triggered about nothing. Pretty much case and point how the problems on campus start...
Lol, unless someone wants to to call one of your bros racist.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:12 PM   #59
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Foldn, why can't you just say that you think safe spaces have a chilling effect on the expression of certain unpopular opinions that are overwhelmingly associated with a conservative point of view?
I agree with that, but it's not just conservative points of view that are being stifled. From the Atlantic article above:

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For example, some students have called for warnings that Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart describes racial violence and that F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby portrays misogyny and physical abuse, so that students who have been previously victimized by racism or domestic violence can choose to avoid these works, which they believe might “trigger” a recurrence of past trauma.
Books being banned sounds a lot like right wing bs to me.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:13 PM   #60
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Which books have actually been banned?
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:13 PM   #61
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Nah, it sounds like a good idea. Apparently in practice, more and more college professors fear for their jobs because ahole students who can't think twist anything they say into a microaggression.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...n-mind/399356/

Really surprised you guys are still taking the other side so aggressively. I mean, I don't mind arguing it, it's certainly a debate worth having, but why so smug?
I find it hard to believe you read the 30 page Atlantic article you linked.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:14 PM   #62
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If you read the rest of the post, and the link I provided, I was clearly saying I don't know much about the Holocaust, and I have no reason to think any of the numbers are off at all. But I'm in the West and I have no reason to either. I just don't see the wisdom of denying people the right to talk about it freely, and locking people up who disagree with the stated line as they do in many countries in Europe. I doubt it actually solves much. Again, free speech is kind of a big deal.
Right, you don't know much about the holocaust so you think it's "important" to discuss how people are lying about its severity to drum up support for Israel. I'm telling you that that is stupid. Really, really stupid. #FREESPEECH
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If only you had some sort of PROTECTED AREA where you could say anything you want and not have to deal with criticism.
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so like, if a mod was screaming obscenities about Mexicans and threatening to abuse his mod powers, you'd be all in favor of taking action against him, right?
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Lol, unless someone wants to to call one of your bros racist.
I think you guys are getting confused with me and other people disagreeing with you. I don't think I've ever called for anyone to be banned, and I've never even reported a post.
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That quote isn't talking about banning books.
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Am I the only one who thinks people should be free to express unpopular opinions, even terrible opinions? And that college campuses should err on the side of too much speech rather than too little?


There's a line somewhere, and it's not a clearly defined line. That guy who endorsed Cruz while calling for the execution of gays is clearly far on the other side of it. But what about someone who simply says "homosexuality is a sin"? Or even "homosexuality is an abomination"? I disagree, I don't even think there is such a thing as "sin". But why do I get to decide? Why do you?


Shouldn't colleges, of all places, be bastions of free speech? Shouldn't they champion the "marketplace of ideas"? Let everyone talk, even the *******s.
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Right, you don't know much about the holocaust so you think it's "important" to discuss how people are lying about its severity to drum up support for Israel. I'm telling you that that is stupid. Really, really stupid. #FREESPEECH
That's certainly fine with me. You're entitled to your criticism and your opinion. I don't think you've accurately characterized what I was saying there, but whatever.
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Which books have actually been banned?
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That quote isn't talking about banning books.
Fair enough. So are you agreeing with the idea of students being able to opt out of class assignments involving reading classic novels because it makes them uncomfortable?
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:22 PM   #68
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That's certainly fine with me. You're entitled to your criticism and your opinion. I don't think you've accurately characterized what I was saying there, but whatever.
Feel free to explain it.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:23 PM   #69
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Lol, Foldndark making fun of safe spaces, so good. No irony there! Remind me again, what brought you to the politics forum?
Tom often gets the credit but it's quite likely he would post here anyway.

It's the politics forum and politics has become rather engrossing in a car crash kind of way.
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Am I the only one who thinks people should be free to express unpopular opinions, even terrible opinions? And that college campuses should err on the side of too much speech rather than too little?


There's a line somewhere, and it's not a clearly defined line. That guy who endorsed Cruz while calling for the execution of gays is clearly far on the other side of it. But what about someone who simply says "homosexuality is a sin"? Or even "homosexuality is an abomination"? I disagree, I don't even think there is such a thing as "sin". But why do I get to decide? Why do you?


Shouldn't colleges, of all places, be bastions of free speech? Shouldn't they champion the "marketplace of ideas"? Let everyone talk, even the *******s.
Who's not being allowed to talk here? FoldN and his traveling circus of Holocaust deniers, alleged date rapists and incoherent babbling shut-ins have been given a free hand to **** up this forum as much as they like for two years. They've even been given their own private safespace subforum where they can look into the exaggerations of mainstream historians.
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Am I the only one who thinks people should be free to express unpopular opinions, even terrible opinions? And that college campuses should err on the side of too much speech rather than too little?


There's a line somewhere, and it's not a clearly defined line. That guy who endorsed Cruz while calling for the execution of gays is clearly far on the other side of it. But what about someone who simply says "homosexuality is a sin"? Or even "homosexuality is an abomination"? I disagree, I don't even think there is such a thing as "sin". But why do I get to decide? Why do you?


Shouldn't colleges, of all places, be bastions of free speech? Shouldn't they champion the "marketplace of ideas"? Let everyone talk, even the *******s.
How about "the blacks are inferior" or "hitler had some good ideas"? I think that colleges have to draw the line somewhere and if "gays are an abomination" is one the lol ur expelled side of the line that's fine with me.
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Who's not being allowed to talk here? FoldN and his traveling circus of Holocaust deniers, alleged date rapists and incoherent babbling shut-ins have been given a free hand to **** up this forum as much as they like for two years. They've even been given their own private safespace subforum where they can look into the exaggerations of mainstream historians.
Clearly talking about college campuses and society in general, not 2+2.
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Feel free to explain it.
I have, and frankly you've been such a vexatious litigant, I have no desire to try again.
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How about "the blacks are inferior" or "hitler had some good ideas"? I think that colleges have to draw the line somewhere and if "gays are an abomination" is one the lol ur expelled side of the line that's fine with me.
Sure, and if that's where the lines were being drawn, I doubt there would be hundreds of articles from both sides of the political isle decrying the state of college campuses today. Again, you're free to read any of them.
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I wouldn't be in favor of expelling students for expressing a belief that homosexuality should be a capital crime, but I would accept a professor losing a job because of it.
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