So he's not all bad...

normally, intelligence agencies would be worried about one of these private club members transmitting sensitive information to a hostile nation, but they don't anymore because we're all dead

So, what to make of this whole OSJer (and by extension SJWer) phenomenon? OSJers are the folks who love to lament the 'Run Amok PC Police, and equivalent. Here's a few takeaways...

1. It ain't new. This is the same tired old 'Run Amok PC Police' routine, which was think-tanked up c1990, and has been pushed as propaganda ever since. It's particular to the interwebs era, but was around long before the rise the social media brands. The only difference is the "PC Police" are being rebranded as SJWers, illiberal liberals, regressive far left, etc, etc.
   
   
2. The OSJers are the peeps shutting down conversations. Anytime the conversation has segued into a discussion regarding the PC Police, the OSJer has already accomplished their (perhaps unconscious) goal. He's already shut down the prior conversation by changing the subject, by this willful PC Police derailment. That is exactly what this whole OSJer routine was designed to do. This is called 'Tone Policing'.
   
   
3. OSJ-ism doesn't make any sense because it's propaganda. The OSJer routine starts as a willful derailment to shut down a conversation. This is typically of the form "ZOMG here is an anecdotal story about the Run Amok PC Police ZOMG". But what happens when the OSJers are asked what should be done about this ZOMG-ZOMG crisis? Well, 100% we get absolutely no engagement or answer at all from the OSJers. Why?
   
   The reason is that these OSJers aren't interested in having any policy discussion at all. That's not what they do. They are (perhaps unconsciously) interested in shutting down conversations by derailing them, as described above. They are also very interested in shaming what they call 'the left' in general. This quote sums this up nicely...
   
   
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   Originally Posted by an OSJer

   ... You need to admit to the ugly authoritarianism of the left...
   That's as far as it goes, as far as the OSJers are concerned: shutting down conversations by derailing, and 'proving' the "ugly authoritarianism of the left" by purely anecdotal means. That's it. They don't have policy debates, because they ain't got any stinkin policy... they just want to shut things down, and carry on about the ugliness of what they call 'the left'.
   
   
4. OSJers love fallacies and poor reasoning. Let's see... the OSJers are the real libruls. The PC Police are the real r-word-ers, The OSJers share the goals of the PC Police. The OSJers say they're just offering good advice... which is bad advice they patronizingly just made up. Then we got the Big Lie: the OSJers are interested in productive debate and wrap themselves in the mantel of 'free speech'. Of course, they avoid all debate like the plague, and what they call 'free speech' is incoherent gibberish. The whole OSJer routine is highly conspiritardical, mainly being a mashup of the previously debunked Cultural Marxism, and the Myth of the Liberal Media, conspiracy theories. And of course... every bad thing in history, from 1930s euro fascism to D.Trump getting elected, gets loltstically blamed on the PC Police.
   
   The most annoying thing is this willful (but perhaps not conscious) trolling by going up, then sophistically skipping down, a meta-level. They derail the prior conversation by going up a meta-level, to anecdotally complain about the Run Amok PC Police. But, when challenged on their anecdotal story, or asked what should be done about this shiz, they'll universally pull the sophism of skipping down a meta level. They'll accuse their questioner of 'condoning' whatever the alleged ZOMG details are of their ancedotal story.

These are the same thing, and for a free speech absolutist you abandoned "petitioning about grievances" real ****ing quickly.

Presumably I don't care?

Nobody got forced to do anything, and if this guy didn't want to be humiliated he probably should've kept his insanely dumb racist ideas to himself.

Hey man all you need now is to come out against freedom of the press and you'll hit the ****ing trifecta.

LOL ah yes I definitely remember that part of the book(well, let's be honest, probably the TV show for this guy) where the High Sparrow organized a letter writing campaign against anti-Wildling racism?

What the ****, I've seen a ****load of godawful politics-converted-to-pop-culture takes in my life, but this one is both incredibly obscure and completely inapposite.

Holy **** it's a literal blueprint of Lord posts.

Obligatory one character.

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/
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It's certainly fun to watch this wrong-headed circle jerk completely miss the point again and again. Keep going.

It kinda seems like everyone is on the same page and we all understand your point just fine, we just disagree that liberal criticism of right-wing views needs to be censored. Sorry if that hurts your feelings

I daresay, if EVERYONE is missing the point, mayhap the issue is with the person delivering the message rather than those receiving it?

What is the point Lord?

Oh, and do you think people should be prevented from protesting?

We get your point perfectly. You don't like people who disagree with others, at least if they disagree with a certain amount of volume. You think that this is a tremendous problem because it impinges on your understanding of free speech. How you intend to solve this problem without either impinging on the free speech of those who disagree or hoping for some sort of magical world where no one disagrees (or disagrees sufficiently vocally) is unclear.

The point is those damn kids not showing proper respect like back in my day. *shakes fist* Instead of long haired hippies it's hipster bearded SJWs. Staid reactionaries gonna react. T'was ever thus.

Also a big huge lol at Lord for complaining about circle jerk when he has to flee to the ultimate circle jerk of unchained after getting his ass handed to him here and in POG

Let me give you a hypothetical, if you take a bunch of illiberal people and put them all together all you get is illiberal to the power of X.

The fact I'm on my own on this thread means nothing at all. You should not try to use that as a point. Outside the warped confines of here public opinion would be overwhelmingly on my side. It's just not relevant to bring it up.

What is relevant is that you support harassment and professional pressure as means to **** down dissenting opinion from your in-group consensus. It's disgusting and no amount of you or anyone else defending it will stop it being so.

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/

You think if Gallup had a poll asking people what they thought was more disturbing they'd put college kids ahead of Donald Trump?

Would this be a global poll?

If I set up a petition, mobilised social media forces, got your boss involved, started showing up to protest you at work, is that still disagreement or is it something else?

If I am dining at a restaurant, and my waiter goes off on a pro-Trump rant, am I allowed to ask the manager for a new waiter while still in the bounds of free speech, or is that illiberal?

We support the right for people to protest and petition against speech that they disagree with. It's a general principle of believing in free speech. Much like you can agree with the KKKs right to freedom of speech without necessarily agreeing with the KKK. We accept the right to protest and petition without necessarily supporting the specific anecdotal instances you keep bringing to the fore.

Well Trump voters would definitely put college kids as the #1 threat to a free and open democracy. Russian moles in the White House? Meh. Someone called Richard Spencer a ****tard Nazi? OMG libruls are the worst!!!

Quit your crying. That fool lecturer didn't get shut down by a small group of college kids. He got shut down because his bosses finally realized he was spouting a bunch of racist garbage and was going to thoroughly embarrass the university.

Uh, it is pretty obviously disagreement. Do all petitions have to be heeded?

Nobody harassed anybody in any of the stories Lord has referred to anyway. He keeps conflating petitioning with harassment. But pointing this out will do no good.

LordJ,

We have U.S. citizens being held up in airports for 24+ hours without food, water, or bathroom access, but the "sickening" part is that a professor was pressured to apologize by some students?