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02-12-2017 , 03:31 PM
Talk show roundup?
02-12-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
That's probably because your information consumption is dominated by garbage alt-right yootoobes.
I shared this earlier, can't you read?

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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I will add comments to the podcasts now.

FiveThirtyEight - worth a listen, especially for the data stuff

Reveal - bit preachy

Powerhouse Politics - seem to lean a weensy bit more right than most of them

Politico's Nerdcast - some good analysis, a bit "wonk" heavy

Reaction Political Podcast - a bit infrequent, has some good interviews sometimes with experts. Ep on Italy was good.

Cup of Politics - I feel like this is more of a right-y one too. Tends to be a "bottom of the barrel" if I've got nothing else deal.

Slate's Political Gabfest - got into this more and more, their year round-up was v. good. Good range of voices on here, and some excellent rantings.

The Times Redbox Podcast - seems infrequent for Times, but good for big-ticket stuff

Slate politics - Spoken edition - just articles from the site read out

On the Media - the woman is more down the line, "Bob" is more of a lefty activist, some of their eps are excellent, but it is topic dependent.

The Guardian UK - Politics Weekly - it's okay, but about what you might expect

Vox's The Weeds - insanely indepth policy stuff by true political nerds, quite good at separating Trump BS from actual actions

The New Yorker: Politics and More - feels oddly agenda-driven and preachy at times, one of my least faves

Slate's Trumpcast - worth listening to just for all of the tweets being read out, has become essential

The Axe Files with David Axelrod - as I said, can't keep up, but long-form interviews are great. Also interviewed Obama recently. I feel like I "trust" Axelrod.

The Run-Up - very good around election time, been quite quiet of late. LOVE the signature music theme.

NPR's Politics Podcast - Good "bread and butter" American politics pod. Liberal-leaning naturally.

Keepin' It 1600 - these guys are all former Obama aids who give "inside track" type analysis. Has been fascinating listening to them trying to figure out Trump strategy.

Spectator Americano - Has an "English man in New York" feel which I dig. Was entertaining when the data guy said he'd eat his hat if Trump won and was then held to it.

The Right Dishonourable Podcast - two British lads just having a chat. Some decent analysis at times.

The Spectator - I've come to like it more and more this year, I find the takes level headed and mostly sensible. Has been a voice of reason even amid Brexit chaos.

The New Statesmen - obsessed with Labour ins and outs, mainly listen to it to balance out Spectator and keep an eye on current thinking re: Corbyn.

Coffee House Shots - see comments for Spectator, a lot of cross-over.
Since making this post I've also added:

Talking Politics - which is a very good educated politics pod by some chaps from Cambridge.

I mean, don't make personal attacks which are not true please. Derailment.
02-12-2017 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I should note, that the issue of "trigger warnings" did come up last year at a departmental meeting and we agree unaimously that we would not be having them and rejected proposals for them entirely. I give a "mock" trigger warning before teaching one text, but in such a way that I make it clear that I am entirely against the concept of trigger warnings. Ridiculous molly-coddle nonsense. Must be resisted.

The university situation seems quite different in the US and the UK. I only hear of or see these things happening in the US.
What exactly do you have against the idea of a trigger warning for students in your class. If you are going to delve deep into the text of a book that explicitly describes child rape, what is your objection to saying so at the beginning of the lesson. Those types of descriptions can be quite traumatic for someone who experienced rape as a child. Should they not have the opportunity to at the very least prepare themselves for that type of description to be presented? Is it hogwash molly-coddle to have a bit of decency that someone in your room might have had these things happen to them and may be traumatized by reading descriptions of things similar to what happened to them?

Seems a hell of a lot less like being a molly coddle and much more like you being assholish for ******* sake.
02-12-2017 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I mean, don't make personal attacks which are not true please. Derailment.
Maybe stop lying all the time and people will be more civil.
02-12-2017 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
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As a matter of fact, in the one thing I teach which does feature disturbing scenes of that nature I do give advance warning.

However, when this came up it was because one student was complaining that a text was making them feel sad and that the material was too depressing (not one of my courses, but someone else's).

We simply cannot cave to stuff like that. It's university not ****ing nursery.
02-12-2017 , 03:46 PM
There's already a thread about safe spaces, I see no need to relitigate it here. Short version: it's a minor issue being completely overblown by a certain section of conservative society, one that has almost zero contact with actual university students or policy. Foldn made like thousands of posts on the subject that included a couple of legit examples where safe space culture had a detrimental outcome on people in the wrong end of it (e.g. Firings, administrative action); mostly it's just pundits and comedians whining that college students nowadays are too sensitive and can't take a joke. In most cases students WANT to implement more safe spaces and the like and are subsequently denied by the administration. Seriously it has little or nothing to due with the polarization of US society. The far larger issue is people in general treating their political party as a team and getting satisfaction from their "team" winning regardless of the outcomes.
02-12-2017 , 03:48 PM
I posted something coming from someone working at NYU.

This is a proper issue, and not some fringe nothing thing. It is something that spread quickly and needs to be quashed and soon. I'd suggest listening to Haidt from what I linked.
02-12-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I posted something coming from someone working at NYU.

This is a proper issue, and not some fringe nothing thing. It is something that spread quickly and needs to be quashed and soon. I'd suggest listening to Haidt from what I linked.
It's weird that these trigger warnings are such a big issue yet by your own admission you don't ever actually encounter them even though you allegedly work at a university.
02-12-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
As a matter of fact, in the one thing I teach which does feature disturbing scenes of that nature I do give advance warning.

However, when this came up it was because one student was complaining that a text was making them feel sad and that the material was too depressing (not one of my courses, but someone else's).

We simply cannot cave to stuff like that. It's university not ****ing nursery.
Who is telling you to tailor these trigger warnings in such a way? Are these mandated from the top? If not, why is it a big deal? You explain to the student what trigger warnings are for and their stouation doesn't apply and move on.

Seems super simple. How does a 18 part youtube series arise out of that?
02-12-2017 , 04:00 PM
The issue is around this terminology being used to shut down views that challenge what students already think.

And especially their propensity to reach for racism/ sexism/ homophobia and filing complaints against professors when they were simply opening up issues for discussion.

Deny this has been taking place if you want, or contend that it is an issue of minor concern. The view I get from US colleagues seems to suggest otherwise. And as Haidt discusses, it's a very recent thing. 2013 at the earliest.
02-12-2017 , 04:15 PM
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I should note, that the issue of "trigger warnings" did come up last year at a departmental meeting and we agree unaimously that we would not be having them and rejected proposals for them entirely. I give a "mock" trigger warning before teaching one text, but in such a way that I make it clear that I am entirely against the concept of trigger warnings. Ridiculous molly-coddle nonsense. Must be resisted.
You don't think a student that has suffered serious trauma through sexual assault, possibly has PTSD relating to the subject, deserves a fair warning that there will be discussion of sexual assault in a lecture? You call that ridiculous molly-coddle nonsense?

It seems to me that you either don't have a clue what an actual trigger warning is or (more likely) you're just making stuff up in an effort to muddle the issue and confuse people who don't have as much information on the issue as you and I do.
02-12-2017 , 04:25 PM
It's the subtext of every anti-Pc screed; "I don't want to have to think about other people, I want to say whatever I want whether it offends or hurts someone is on them, not on me!"
02-12-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I should note, that the issue of "trigger warnings" did come up last year at a departmental meeting and we agree unaimously that we would not be having them and rejected proposals for them entirely. I give a "mock" trigger warning before teaching one text, but in such a way that I make it clear that I am entirely against the concept of trigger warnings. Ridiculous molly-coddle nonsense. Must be resisted.

The university situation seems quite different in the US and the UK. I only hear of or see these things happening in the US.
Unanimously agree, wow. I'm surprised there weren't any hippy-dippy profs open to the idea of trigger warnings.
02-12-2017 , 05:43 PM
ITT we learn campus radicals doing dumb **** and colleges making dumb over-reaching liberal laws is a) a dangerous and wholly new thing and b) an existential problem facing the US that threatens to permeate all strata of society.

I mean American Spectator devoted several articles a week complaining about exactly this in the 80s - and we can see how the dangerous new breed of campus radicals has dragged our country into a grey repressive socialist hell-hole.

New comic idea: mushroom clouds go up - instead of "But her Emails" it's "But those campus safe spaces".
02-12-2017 , 05:47 PM
its truly insane. he completely changes the meaning of certain words and movements, and finds isolated incidents and extrapolates them as norms.

liberals and safe spacers and sjws dont want to limit free speech. these are some of the biggest proponents of free speech and civil rights.

every part of his argument is based on lies. truly disgusting.
02-12-2017 , 08:58 PM
LordLHGA is so dumb he just refuted his own premise about how pervasive trigger warning culture is with his own fictional ancedote
02-12-2017 , 09:29 PM
Here we go, hot off the press:

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Originally Posted by LordJvK
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0a1dcbd02c105

This King's College, London lecturerer was forced to apologise for saying that Trump's travel ban makes sense if you look at the data. I mean, all he did was point to trends in data and he's been forced to apologise.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-808866.html

This is the world we live in.
This shouldn't be happening.
02-12-2017 , 09:32 PM
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The academic used crime and unemployment figures from Norway, Finland and Denmark
lol well mebbe the guy should be criticized for stupidity then. wtf does data in those countries matter to merica? we have far different vetting structures.
02-12-2017 , 09:34 PM
Why is a neurobiologist getting involved in politics in the first place? Also, he isn't using crime stats from the US so it's likely there are other flaws in his "research." Maybe if he had better data he wouldn't get called out for making claims outside his specialty that seem to be biased.
02-12-2017 , 09:35 PM
plus the guys is ya know, at best a crackpot

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...an-be-bred-out

but more likely a pos bigot
02-12-2017 , 09:35 PM
He was looking at data. He shouldn't be forced to apologise for "hate speech" for doing so.

Utter insanity.

Why? Because total dimwits took to social media and barracked the university and signed a petition and all the rest of it, and now even pointing to statistical trends is literally shut down by these illiberal puritanical *******s.
02-12-2017 , 09:35 PM
So he said something about the travel ban, was criticized for it, and then he came back and apologized.

GUESS WHAT. That doesn't violate his freedom of speech at all. In fact, it proves that he has freedom of speech because he was allowed to say something unpopular to begin with. And the critics, well they have their freedom of speech as well. This is all just a big bunch of nothing when we've got serious, real problems going on.
02-12-2017 , 09:36 PM
And there are three of you IMMEDIATELY condemning him, clearly not had time to look at the numbers, or what he said, or anything else.

Just pile on, condemn, etc.

What is this? What is wrong with you?
02-12-2017 , 09:38 PM
You literally condone what has happened. You see this as natural and normal and something to be celebrated. Sickening.
02-12-2017 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
And there are three of you IMMEDIATELY condemning him, clearly not had time to look at the numbers, or what he said, or anything else.

Just pile on, condemn, etc.

What is this? What is wrong with you?
We read the article and saw that what he said probably wasn't actually a fact and therefore he shouldn't be taken seriously. Otherwise people may see the link you're spamming around the forum and think you had an example of someone saying something true and getting shouted down for it. Your post was a lie.

      
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