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04-06-2016 , 10:43 PM
Oh no you didn't go there lol.

Okay. Lol, recap of this thread:

Haha look at these conservatards needing their safe spaces.

Uh... yeah that's dumb, but it's the crybaby ultra left who are actually cowering in safespaces everywhere someone challenges them.

Nuh uh, theres only really like 2-3

Here's a list of twenty I just googled in one sec.

Those arent really safe spaces whats your point how are safe spaces bad

Well, here's a few articles

No, I need specific examples!

Here's a couple.

Well, that's only a couple not like it's a trend.

Then why so many articles, professors speaking out, and comics quitting campus gigs, hell even the POTUS took some time to point out he thinks it's a problem?

I need examples

I'm not doing your homework for you. Read.

Nothing to see, but yes of course I agree with Obama there's a problem, dummy. Go away.

Okay, glad we agree!
04-06-2016 , 10:49 PM
Yeah there's also a problem with morons debating politics on the Internet. That problem and safe spaces seem roughly comparable in seriousness.
04-06-2016 , 10:58 PM
Oh yeah, WHERES YOUR OBAMA QUOTE!?
04-06-2016 , 11:11 PM
I don't have any Obama quotes, but I do have this dope image of Neil deGrasse Tyson kickin' it with Buzz Aldrin. Buzz is 86 years old these days.

04-06-2016 , 11:19 PM
Now that I've thoroughly thrashed all foes with my King of Obama card, I'll agree with you guys that it's not all that serious. As I said, I'm pretty sure things will work out fine as a number of people (including our President, let me add) weighed in with criticism. Cooler heads will prevail, safe spaces will be utilized properly, the GOP will destroy itself, Hillary will be our next president and poker will be fun again. Amen.
04-06-2016 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Oh yeah, and there are certain types of posters on message boards, the kind who are always trolling and calling for other posters to be banned, you know them, who I can imagine are exactly the type of kids who are going around on crusades PC ing up campuses these days trying to get professors fired, boycotting anyone who disagrees with them, etc. So yeah, not hard to believe Obama's right about this one.
Seriously what is with your bizarre obsession with random quotes from other people? You are allowed to provide primary documentation, this isn't something we need to learn about secondhand from President Obama, whose statement was pretty vague.

But OK. Moving on. YOU and your SMP friends are the people who called for bannings! chezlaw literally threw a fit demanding that people take back the mean things they said about Bruce and apologize, Bruce threatened to ban people, masque endorsed the banning plan.

Like this passive-aggressive "so you agree with me and YOUR SAVIOR OBAMA" ****... What?

What is it, FoldN, that you think I'm wrong about here. What is the issue that you and I differ on? Because at the end of the day, "it seems like safe space panic is mostly right wingers yelling about nothing" seems to be pretty well proven.
04-06-2016 , 11:27 PM
Right wingers like OBAMA. We don't disagree fly, we all agree! Isn't this great?
04-06-2016 , 11:51 PM
Obama was just giving window dressing in those quotes. Makes him seem level headed and thoughtful to say that different voices and viewpoints have merit. He couldn't sarcastically say that racist views deserve to be treated with respect because human differences. Or that safe spaces are for liberals who don't want to hear mean things, and conservatives who want to say mean things without being made to feel stupid and bad. Safe spaces are the champion of the left and right.
04-06-2016 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Now that I've thoroughly thrashed all foes with my King of Obama card, I'll agree with you guys that it's not all that serious. As I said, I'm pretty sure things will work out fine as a number of people (including our President, let me add) weighed in with criticism. Cooler heads will prevail, safe spaces will be utilized properly, the GOP will destroy itself, Hillary will be our next president and poker will be fun again. Amen.
Lol, how delusional can you possibly be. Mother of God.
04-07-2016 , 12:08 AM
I'm a professor at a Canadian university. I spend every single day dealing with hundreds of students. And students are ridiculous and stupid in thousands of different ways. A lot of that is totally healthy; this is one of the times in their lives where they get to actually sit and think about issues and they try on new world views like clothes. It's a good process, a process that on average results in an improvement. Of all the ways I see students being stupid, I've actually seen basically zero of the kind of lol at liberal college kids examples that the MRAs just love to masterbate to. Yet somehow we are assured that young kids who are trying to fight racism and sometimes are marginally overzealous on that, well THAT is the one way we just need to make fun of them for! Stupid college kids!
04-07-2016 , 12:23 AM
Uh yeah, MRA's like Chris Rock, Louis CK ...and OBAMA! Thx for the data point.

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Originally Posted by vixticator
Lol, how delusional can you possibly be. Mother of God.
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04-07-2016 , 12:34 AM
Glad I could help you advance your point!
04-07-2016 , 12:50 AM
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Here's a list of twenty I just googled in one sec.
Uh, what you found were examples of dumb kids saying dumb things and getting ignored, comedians not actually facing any sort of censorship but just not wanting to perform at certain kinds of venues despite the risk of the feared backlash from any performance at any venue, and Obama giving out some agreeable platitudes about how the dumb kids from the first clause should be ignored (like they are). So, what were the actual suggestions you propose again? College kids should be banned from saying dumb things? Chris Rock's hecklers should be executed?
04-07-2016 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
But OK. Moving on. YOU and your SMP friends are the people who called for bannings! chezlaw literally threw a fit demanding that people take back the mean things they said about Bruce and apologize, Bruce threatened to ban people, masque endorsed the banning plan.
Holy cow. Still haven't got over the SMP thingy Fly?

You should consider looking a a lot closer to home Fly when you talk about people having fits and having hurt feelings - all this time later and look at the posts in this thread alone.

For the record. I don't want you to apologize or take anything back and I do not wish to see you banned. Nor have I called for any of these things except apparently in your imagination.
04-07-2016 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Obama was just giving window dressing in those quotes. Makes him seem level headed and thoughtful to say that different voices and viewpoints have merit. He couldn't sarcastically say that racist views deserve to be treated with respect because human differences. Or that safe spaces are for liberals who don't want to hear mean things, and conservatives who want to say mean things without being made to feel stupid and bad. Safe spaces are the champion of the left and right.
Maybe it was just him being level headed.

Despite how it seems on this forum it's entirely normal (and indeed level headed) to think there's merit in listening to and engaging with other views and voices even when we totally disagree with the views being expressed.
04-07-2016 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Maybe it was just him being level headed.

Despite how it seems on this forum it's entirely normal (and indeed level headed) to think there's merit in listening to and engaging with other views and voices even when we totally disagree with the views being expressed.
Can you name some names of people who disagree with this?
04-07-2016 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Uh, what you found were examples of dumb kids saying dumb things and getting ignored, comedians not actually facing any sort of censorship but just not wanting to perform at certain kinds of venues despite the risk of the feared backlash from any performance at any venue, and Obama giving out some agreeable platitudes about how the dumb kids from the first clause should be ignored (like they are). So, what were the actual suggestions you propose again? College kids should be banned from saying dumb things? Chris Rock's hecklers should be executed?
You clearly haven't done much of your own work here, read any articles or anything, but you're a busy guy so I'll repeat myself another time for you.

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I think it will take care of itself by way of healthy criticism and discourse. I read that Carlos Mencia recently almost got booted from a college for edgy material that offended some people, but after much deliberation the college decided not to. That's a good sign. Maybe the long held belief that if you don't like something, then don't go buy a ticket and watch it is finally starting to win out, we'll see.
In other words the people Obama was calling out, they'll probably start to chill a bit, listen to more diverse opinions, and maybe learn something.
04-07-2016 , 01:18 AM
What is the "it" that will take care of "itself?" Because it looks like there's actually not a problem, and that there has been plenty of criticism before you and your ilk got involved.
04-07-2016 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Can you name some names of people who disagree with this?
I can name Foldn as someone who doesn't but plenty here seem to disagree with Foldn so maybe them - it's very hard to tell isn't it? That's why I'd rather people focused on what Obama said than some SMP thingy

I disagree with Obama a bit as I'm more inclined to ban hate speech. When, where and how views are expressed matters. For example we have to engage with views about LGBTers that we strongly oppose but we don't have to allow people to try to brand LGBTers as abominations.
04-07-2016 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I can name Foldn as someone who doesn't but plenty here seem to disagree with Foldn so maybe them - it's very hard to tell isn't it? That's why I'd rather people focused on what Obama said than some SMP thingy

I disagree with Obama a bit as I'm more inclined to ban hate speech. When, where and how views are expressed matters. For example we have to engage with views about LGBTers that we strongly oppose but we don't have to allow people to try to brand LGBTers as abominations.
No, the disagreement isn't over free speech, it's that Foldn thinks he's fighting a glorious battle when everyone else thinks there's actually not an issue other than some small number of people with whom the vast majority of Americans disagree and who have basically no power to effect the things they say.
04-07-2016 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Oh no you didn't go there lol.

Okay. Lol, recap of this thread:

Haha look at these conservatards needing their safe spaces.

Uh... yeah that's dumb, but it's the crybaby ultra left who are actually cowering in safespaces everywhere someone challenges them.

Nuh uh, theres only really like 2-3

Here's a list of twenty I just googled in one sec.

Those arent really safe spaces whats your point how are safe spaces bad

Well, here's a few articles

No, I need specific examples!

Here's a couple.

Well, that's only a couple not like it's a trend.

Then why so many articles, professors speaking out, and comics quitting campus gigs, hell even the POTUS took some time to point out he thinks it's a problem?

I need examples

I'm not doing your homework for you. Read.

Nothing to see, but yes of course I agree with Obama there's a problem, dummy. Go away.

Okay, glad we agree!
Wow. I just, don't even.

You haven't posted any examples that haven't been debunked.

Note. I'm talking about an example of bad stuff happening because of safe spaces.

Posting in an article. Doesn't count.
People talking vaguely about how they don't like it (whether that's a random comedian or obama) doesn't count.

Just. 1. Example. Please.

For the love of God.

This is like the worst display of posting I have seen in a long time.
04-07-2016 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
No, Foldn thinks he's fighting a glorious battle
How does Foldn's view differ from Obama's?

What is he demanding that Obama isn't?
04-07-2016 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
What is he demanding that Obama isn't?
We've been trying to figure this out, but he still seems awfully convinced that a bunch of ordinary and non-controversial things are actually injustices or tragedies or something that need to be addressed with SOMETHING rather than just yawning about dumb kids and the plaints from the imaginations of comedians.
04-07-2016 , 01:32 AM
Just one example? We've discussed several. And I've posted articles with many more examples. Do I have to literally quote entire articles here for you to ignore?

Okay here, is this a good idea?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...n-mind/399356/
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This new climate is slowly being institutionalized, and is affecting what can be said in the classroom, even as a basis for discussion. During the 2014–15 school year, for instance, the deans and department chairs at the 10 University of California system schools were presented by administrators at faculty leader-training sessions with examples of microaggressions. The list of offensive statements included: “America is the land of opportunity” and “I believe the most qualified person should get the job.”
04-07-2016 , 01:35 AM
Hahahaha. That's the harm you are complaining about? Someone called something ridiculous a micro aggression one time in a training session???

Hahaha Hahahaha. Wow. Oh man. I can see that would get you super rustled.

Come on. Actual harm. Like a bad thing happened. Please.

      
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