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02-12-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
We will not have students feelings dictating content. And we will not treat adults like little children. End of.
so like, I dont get it. are the students not allowed to express their feelings? make demands? I dont get it. what is your ideal way for this whole thing to go down?
02-12-2017 , 10:00 PM
this is why you cant have meaningful dialogue with trump supporters
02-12-2017 , 10:01 PM
oh and in b4 this guy tries to claim that he's not a trump slappie
02-12-2017 , 10:02 PM
How is that different from gamergaters threatening to bomb events women were speaking at?
02-12-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Actually if you look more closely at the story, he provided concrete numbers for the US also and showed that the situation was at least analogous there.

Also, if the country of origin is the thing that matters (i.e. As regards travel ban) then why is the European data irrelevant exactly? People can fly from country A to country B or country C. I don't see why you are hand waving the European numbers.

In any case, it's a shame that he was made to apologise for this by illiberal mobs.
I read both links that you provided and did not see this argument anywhere.
02-12-2017 , 10:03 PM
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Nice job gang.
Who are you addressing?
02-12-2017 , 10:04 PM
Trump's EO was supposedly about preventing radical Islamic terrorists from entering America. Source. Those crime statistics don't speak to his actual stated reason for the EO.

http://www.economist.com/news/united...d-war-yearning
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Refugee resettlement is the least likely route for potential terrorists, says Kathleen Newland at the Migration Policy Institute, a think-tank. Of the 745,000 refugees resettled since September 11th, only two Iraqis in Kentucky have been arrested on terrorist charges, for aiding al-Qaeda in Iraq.
02-12-2017 , 10:05 PM
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The LSE incident has come shortly after the recent Free Speech University Rankings (FSUR) 2016 found the stifling of free speech and a culture of ‘no-platforming’ at the UK’s universities is becoming “an epidemic.”
And that last line comes with a link: http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a6818896.html

I wish some of you would wake up
02-12-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Here's the argument Lord is trying to friggin' strawman now:


Hey Lord, the strawman factory called. They're all out of you.
lol dude. The person making a strawman argument is not the strawman.
02-12-2017 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
How is that different from gamergaters threatening to bomb events women were speaking at?
well mainly bc in this case there was no threat of violence at all.

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Black Triangle - a campaign which says it is fighting the “vicious attack on the fundamental human rights of disabled people by government - looked to have been set to protest Dr Perkins’ talk on the day.
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In a Facebook post, Black Triangle said: “Jesus wept: if ever there was an event to picket and protest, this is it,” followed by a link to the LSE event.

However, since that article, Black Triangle took to Facebook, again, this time to insist it “respects Dr Perkins’ academic freedom and freedom of speech 100 per cent.”
02-12-2017 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
And now of course he's not being allowed to speak as his talk is being postponed due to leftist activists.

Nice job gang.


http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a6884281.html
did you read this link? bc I dont think you did. it does not argue what you think it does.

in fact, the group that was complaining about their free speech being suppressed was the protestors

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Calling the claims “utterly ridiculous” and criticising the right-wing press, the statement continued: “It would seem they have a problem with our fundamental human right - in a supposed open, free, and democratic society - to assemble and protest.
so seriously tho, back to my other post, how do you want this to go down? like dude says some stuff that other ppl dont like. they decide to protest. it sure seems that you dont think they should be able to protest or express their problems with the guys ideas.

like, you are the one who is advocating the suppression of freedom of expression in this very thread.

you are the one that needs to "wake up." you desperately need to work on your critical thinking skills and how you internally formulate cause and effect.
02-12-2017 , 10:31 PM
Same old "freedom of speech means freedom of criticism" bs. Somehow these guys are always rushing to the defense of right wing trolls and bigots.
02-12-2017 , 10:33 PM
And now we reach the weird bizarro world in which Dr Adam Perkins is on the same continuum as Prof Jordan Peterson ... Milo ... Richard Spencer and actual Hitler.

All just "bigots".

Just so furious with this display. I'm almost more angry with the posters ITT than I am with what has happened.
02-12-2017 , 10:34 PM
You meanies chased Lord back over to POG.
02-12-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
And now we reach the weird bizarro world in which Dr Adam Perkins is on the same continuum as Prof Jordan Peterson ... Milo ... Richard Spencer and actual Hitler.

All just "bigots".

Just so furious with this display. I'm almost more angry with the posters ITT than I am with what has happened.

I hadn't read the article until now but yeah the guy sounds like he might be a racist in the context of his other "research" about welfare recipients. Shocked that you're slobbing the knob of some guy who seems super motivated to point out criminality of people from certain nationalities.

And yeah, Milo and them are exactly the types that people are flipping out about not being able to speak at universities.
02-12-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
Same old "freedom of speech means freedom of criticism" bs. Somehow these guys are always rushing to the defense of right wing trolls and bigots.
its bizarre. he hasnt even put forth an argument on what he thinks should have happened. hes just really mad that these ppl exercised their freedom of expression and organized legal, non-violent, not unruly, protests.

one might say he is triggered by ppl expressing their feelings.
02-12-2017 , 10:43 PM
I mean there's zero distinction in your mind between that lecturer, Milo or a goose-stepping Nazi is there?

I mean what's the difference right?
02-12-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
I hadn't read the article until now but yeah the guy sounds like he might be a racist in the context of his other "research" about welfare recipients. Shocked that you're slobbing the knob of some guy who seems super motivated to point out criminality of people from certain nationalities.

And yeah, Milo and them are exactly the types that people are flipping out about not being able to speak at universities.
I mean, the other article is advocating for eugenics. hes clearly a piece of sht.
02-12-2017 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
one might say he is triggered by ppl expressing their feelings.
He himself would say that:

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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I am supremely triggered this evening.
02-12-2017 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I mean there's zero distinction in your mind between that lecturer, Milo or a goose-stepping Nazi is there?

I mean what's the difference right?
why dont you answer my questions?

pls, enlighten me on what should have occurred in these situations.
02-12-2017 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
why dont you answer my questions?

pls, enlighten me on what should have occurred in these situations.
02-12-2017 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
He himself would say that:
lol yup

and then he continues to lie and misrepresent in another forum

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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Oh nothing, just more illiberal mob mentality nonsense. This time a KCL lecturer and indeed KCL forced to apologise after he tweeted out some data that suggested that Trump's travel ban might make sense. A Somali student complained, 400 signed a petition.

And now he's being no-platformed at LSE by a protest group.

This report here says that the stifling of free speech on University Campuses is reaching epidemic proportions: http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a6818896.html

It's a serious problem.
I mean, its gotta be pretty damn triggering trying to gaslight ppl that actually have half a brain and call you out on your bs. and given the guys massive ego, and superiority complex, its gotta drive him crazy. what a pathetic little man.
02-12-2017 , 10:53 PM
Seriously it is ****ing UNBELIEVABLE how the right wingers managed to convince themselves they are the steely-eyed straight shooters and the left are the sensitive snowflakes. LordLHGA is in ****ing TEARS over a goddamn student petition. Not even against himself! People disagreed with this other guy, and that simply. must. not. happen. It's a serious problem! Who knows what people might disagree with next!
02-12-2017 , 10:54 PM
What should have happened in these scenarios?

Nothing. If the guy has made an argument using data, disprove the argument using data.

Don't cry racism, run to his employers, sign a petition, barrack him on social media and then no-platform his speaking engagements.

None of that stuff is necessary at all.

Institutions like KCL need to get some new policies. Society as a whole needs to figure out some better mechanisms at dealing with 18-year olds with keyboards. At the moment, it's literally like they are letting kids rule the roost.
02-12-2017 , 10:55 PM
So people should confront his data, which they did.

      
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