Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
A Safe Space to Discuss Safe Spaces A Safe Space to Discuss Safe Spaces

07-04-2016 , 08:50 AM
adios, aren't you the guy that had to start a thread because you couldn't figure out if comparing Mexicans to cockroaches was racist?
07-04-2016 , 08:51 AM
Wat? People don't refer to the holocaust as a microaggression. Part of the reason the term had to be coined was because people like you, Adios, who would roll their eyes and mock black people for complaining about whites people acting surprised and patting their heads because they knew English.
07-04-2016 , 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
adios, aren't you the guy that had to start a thread because you couldn't figure out if comparing Mexicans to cockroaches was racist?
He's also the guy that threw out a version of "chessmate liberals, you have to turn on Warren Buffett now" because of policy prescriptions Warren Buffett said would solve the deficit in five minutes.

Of course there was the slight problem that Warren Buffett never said those things, it was a decade old fictional chain letter, but adios doubled down that liberals were chessmated anyways.

Also I'm offended by that spelling of egregious. Come on man.
07-04-2016 , 09:40 AM
Quote:
So, for example, when you pull your kids out of school to stop them from learning about evolution or global warming or the homosexual agenda, that's not "safe space" stuff, that's just being conservative.

When Texas rewrites textbooks to glorify conservative politicians, downplay the horrors of slavery, and so forth, that's not a trigger warning over reality's well known liberal bias, that's just being conservative.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
There's a massive difference between isolating yourself and forcing your isolation on others. I'm not sure what dailykos nonsense you're cribbing from here but it's ****ing terrible.
Quote:
So, for example, when you pull your kids out of school to stop them from learning about evolution or global warming or the homosexual agenda, that's not "safe space" stuff, that's just being conservative.

When Texas rewrites textbooks to glorify conservative politicians, downplay the horrors of slavery, and so forth, that's not a trigger warning over reality's well known liberal bias, that's just being conservative.
.
07-04-2016 , 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adios
... at the same time actually tune out people that might be persuaded to understand the point being made regarding the idea of microaggressions.
It's simply amazing that this canard is thrown out 100% of the time by Team #N. Why do they assume that IRL activists haven't considered this shiz? That's a pretty offensive and patronizing assumption right there. How do they know that more people might "tune out" than "tune in"? They can't cite any studies of course... they're just pulling this shiz out of their butts. And LOL at these fools trying to claim that they are the "real" anti-racists, who are qualified to give IRL activists strategy advice.

Why can't these fools be honest... instead of this LOLtastical and 100% wrong "concern trolling"... why don't they just admit that they find discussions regarding race personally annoying, and they desire a "safe space" where they won't be so annoyed.
07-04-2016 , 11:25 AM
They just want to keep it real and point out how the lazy browns are obviously ruining everything and walking in the street and stuff. They don't have a damn racist bone in their bodies, it's just the lazy ones they don't like.
07-04-2016 , 11:39 AM
Doing a little googling on the "Culture of Victimhood" I gather this has become some kind of mainstream narrative and something we are supposed to be concerned about. I'm thinking it's a completely bs narrative.

Recall the scene in the movie "Goodfellas" when Joe Pesci is playing poker and the young gofer forgets to bring him his drink. Pesci is offended by this slight and shoots the youth in the foot. No one would say Pesci played the victim card in that scenario. Instead, he violently defended his honor over a slight.

Yet when a college student is offended by a slight termed a microaggression and defends her honor by publicizing it on the web or appealing to the administration, she is accused of playing the victim. Why? Because the way she defends her honor is nonviolent? I call bs on this whole "victimhood" narrative.

PairTheBoard
07-04-2016 , 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
adios, aren't you the guy that had to start a thread because you couldn't figure out if comparing Mexicans to cockroaches was racist?
Yeah, with the thesis, naturally, that "Mexican" is not a race, so you daren't accuse someone whose merely prejudiced against Mexicans of being "a racist."
07-04-2016 , 11:52 AM
Adios is evidently simultaneously upset the broad application of the term racist and the use of terms created specifically to address these lesser manifestations of racism.

Last edited by Money2Burn; 07-04-2016 at 12:00 PM.
07-04-2016 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
Doing a little googling on the "Culture of Victimhood" I gather this has become some kind of mainstream narrative and something we are supposed to be concerned about. I'm thinking it's a completely bs narrative.

Recall the scene in the movie "Goodfellas" when Joe Pesci is playing poker and the young gofer forgets to bring him his drink. Pesci is offended by this slight and shoots the youth in the foot. No one would say Pesci played the victim card in that scenario. Instead, he violently defended his honor over a slight.

Yet when a college student is offended by a slight termed a microaggression and defends her honor by publicizing it on the web or appealing to the administration, she is accused of playing the victim. Why? Because the way she defends her honor is nonviolent? I call bs on this whole "victimhood" narrative.

PairTheBoard
You're right, Tommy was playing the bully by overreacting to a minor, unintended slight with violence, protecting his honor like an over sensitive lunk. Others play the victim by overreacting to unintended slights with tattling like over-sensitive second graders.

Ralph Nader, professor, author, political activist, consumer advocate, crotchety old white man. Not a fan of the victimhood culture: https://psmag.com/election-season-po...13d#.5lt3mewmu

Quote:
Do you think Trump has a point about political correctness? That we’ve gotten too uptight?

Oh, yeah. You see it on campuses — what is it called, trigger warnings? It’s gotten absurd. I mean, you repress people, you engage in anger, and what you do is turn people into skins that are blistered by moonbeams. Young men now are far too sensitive because they’ve never been in a draft. They’ve never had a sergeant say, “Hit the ground and do 50 push-ups and I don’t care if there’s mud there.”
Happy Independence Day, everyone!
07-04-2016 , 02:39 PM
Area old man thinks area kids these days have gone soft?
07-04-2016 , 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adios
Racist by your definition and clearly some slights are worse than others. One problem that lumping all slights together as being the same is that the most agretious slights are trivialized.
Which is of course the concept that microaggressions describe: not all forms of prejudice are on the same level or expressed in the same overt manner.

So can we stop here and be happy with the idea of microaggressions as (relatively) minor occurrences of day to day prejudice? Will you be happy if someone comes up with a full ranking system, or will you just semantic up the place over whether crossing the street so as not to walk past a black person is a centi, milli, or micro aggression?

You're on one of those strings of posts people do where they seem to think they've hit on a point of dispute but actually they're just dancing around without a shred of understanding.
07-04-2016 , 03:52 PM
He understands that he's annoyed. What else does he need to understand?!?!?111142
07-04-2016 , 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
You're right, Tommy was playing the bully by overreacting to a minor, unintended slight with violence, protecting his honor like an over sensitive lunk. Others play the victim by overreacting to unintended slights with tattling like over-sensitive second graders.

Ralph Nader, professor, author, political activist, consumer advocate, crotchety old white man. Not a fan of the victimhood culture: https://psmag.com/election-season-po...13d#.5lt3mewmu


Happy Independence Day, everyone!
A better example is when the "made man" told Tommy to "now go get your shoe box". Defending your honor and protecting your "face" is respected by a lot more people around the world than "grin and bear it".

As Ben Kinchlow, Pat Robertson's black 700 club co host (1975-1988), once pointed out to Pat in response to Robertson's support of his buddies leading South Africa and their apartheid policies, "Things look a lot different when you're the one with the boot on his neck".

Ben was "retired" from his hosting duties not long after that.

PairTheBoard
07-04-2016 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PairTheBoard
A better example is when the "made man" told Tommy to "now go get your shoe box". Defending your honor and protecting your "face" is respected by a lot more people around the world than "grin and bear it".

[/b]



Ben was "retired" from his hosting duties not long after that.



PairTheBoard

Doesn't fit. Intentionally insulting someone after a heated argument is nothing like a microaggression.
07-04-2016 , 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
You're right, Tommy was playing the bully by overreacting to a minor, unintended slight with violence, protecting his honor like an over sensitive lunk. Others play the victim by overreacting to unintended slights with tattling like over-sensitive second graders.
What are you even talking about? Tattling? That's your play, dude.

But in another wonderful example of FoldN's strategy of "appeals to authority I didn't read", that Nader interview is great for OUR SIDE, proving us right:

Quote:
Well, and you see this when you walk past construction sites and you talk with white male workers, they feel they have been verbally repressed. It’s hard for someone your age to understand what I’m about to say. They like to stand on a corner and whistle at a pretty lady. They like to flirt. But they can’t do that anymore. Multiply that across the continuum. You can’t say this about that, and you can’t say that about this. And the employer tells you to hush. And perhaps your spouse tells you to hush, and your kids tell you to hush. So they have a whole language that they inherited — ethnic words like Polack. A lot of these people grew up on ethnic jokes, which are totally taboo now. Do you know, Lydia, there are no ethnic-joke books in bookstores anymore?
There used to be?
All the time. There were Negro-joke books, Jewish-joke books, Polish-joke books, Italian-joke books. They used ethnic jokes to reduce tension in the 1930s, ’40s, ’50s. And they’d laugh at each other’s jokes and hurl another one.
He's a senile racist old man with literally no empathy for non-white males. Like everyone else complaining about "PC" and "trigger warnings" and "microaggressions", all that **** is 100% always a facade for the real concern of not being able to say ethnic slurs in public anymore. 100%.

That's who you agree with, FoldN! That's where the SMP worldview gets a lot of traction, the ****ing nursing home. Not the college campus. Academia is for us, you know, intellectual types. Curious types. Free thinkers. SMP recoils from that, which is why it was a safe space.

Until tom and pvn cracked a peek and quoted a few choice bits, lol, and now here we are.
07-04-2016 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Doesn't fit. Intentionally insulting someone after a heated argument is nothing like a microaggression.
Not all unintended slights are all that unintended. You technically object over there so you can avoid the main point right in front of you.

PairTheBoard
07-04-2016 , 05:17 PM
FoldN and his ilk sure do bitch and scream endlessly about the micro aggression of being called rude

Big time victims of the war on insensitive people. Their feelings are so hurt by THE PC POLICE
07-04-2016 , 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PocketChads
He understands that he's annoyed. What else does he need to understand?!?!?111142
It is admirable that people don't let ignorance get in the way of having a strong opinion.
07-04-2016 , 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
You're right, Tommy was playing the bully by overreacting to a minor, unintended slight with violence, protecting his honor like an over sensitive lunk. Others play the victim by overreacting to unintended slights with tattling like over-sensitive second graders.
This shows how the bs "victimhood" narrative is essential to your position. It ignores the fact that the insult in microaggressions is of a different nature than the normal social friction in polite society. They are just more subtle than being called the N word or the F word or the C word. You would not claim overreaction or victimhood at the response to those slurs. And you would understand if those insults were considered insults to honor.

What you refuse to recognize is that the insult in microaggressions is of the same nature only at a more subtle level. They are also an insult to honor not only for the individual but for the group. The question of intent does not change that fact. Ignorance is no excuse. A vigorous response is therefore not overreacting and neither is it playing the victim. The fact that the response is nonviolent should be praised rather than ridiculed.

PairTheBoard
07-04-2016 , 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Adios is evidently simultaneously upset the broad application of the term racist and the use of terms created specifically to address these lesser manifestations of racism.
Not upset at all, where did I post that I was? Lesser in the context you are using is totally subjective.
07-04-2016 , 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Which is of course the concept that microaggressions describe: not all forms of prejudice are on the same level or expressed in the same overt manner.
Yes but the choices seem to be it is a microagresssion or it is overt racism. Too broad of a brush in my view.

Quote:
So can we stop here and be happy with the idea of microaggressions as (relatively) minor occurrences of day to day prejudice?

it isn't about we, my being happy/satisfied actually. It is about understanding people and how they think and what they believe.

Quote:
Will you be happy if someone comes up with a full ranking system, or will you just semantic up the place over whether crossing the street so as not to walk past a black person is a centi, milli, or micro aggression?
LOL wat? The second time in your reply you have mentioned my happiness which is irrelevant to this discussion. Again not all slights are the same and what motivates people to say/act they way they found varies widely.

Quote:
You're on one of those strings of posts people do where they seem to think they've hit on a point of dispute but actually they're just dancing around without a shred of understanding.
All you support apparently is simple minded ideas and concepts about what motivates people. Good luck to you.
07-04-2016 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWookie
Yeah, with the thesis, naturally, that "Mexican" is not a race, so you daren't accuse someone whose merely prejudiced against Mexicans of being "a racist."
Show me the post where I stated that please.

Quote:
I associate the word "Mexican" with ethnicity, culture and national heritage and specifically not about race. Is their a difference between ethnicity and race? I think there is. Can one be a bigot in regards to an ethnic group but not a racist? Of course. Calling BruceZ a racist for his comments about Mexicans is actually incorrect. If we're going to be politically correct let's label statements such as his accurately, it is a bigoted statement directed at an ethnic group. If someone is prejudiced towards Mexicans but has no problems with Puerto Ricans are they racist? Nope.

I understand being offended by such comments and I think that is fine, perhaps even admirable. But there is a huge difference between someone being prejudiced towards an ethnic group and someone believing one race is superior to another. Labeling someone a racist implies a certain level of hate. When used capriciously and carelessly in reality it cheapens the word racist in my view. Put another way, I think one stands a much better chance of convincing someone to see things differently if they hold a prejudice towards an ethnic group than if they're a true racist. When one makes erroneous racist accusations you've pretty much ended any kind of meaningful dialogue. Isn't the desired outcome to convince people to see the error of their ways?
Quote:
Originally Posted by adios
So race is anything anyone deems it be, pollaks, micks, wops, japs it is all racist, got it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by adios
I stated his comments were offensive and words to the effect that what he said was objectionable as finding them to be that way was understandable and even possibly admirable. Here's the context from the OP I made. Mexican isn't a race, Mexican should be associated with an ethnic group. Some of the the arguments seem to be stating more or less that holding negative stereotypes of an ethnic group is the trait of a racist. Sure I agree with that. However, that isn't a sufficient condition in my view to conclude that one is a racist.

Does this make me a BruceZ supporter or detractor?

Last edited by adios; 07-04-2016 at 08:05 PM.
07-04-2016 , 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWf
That's who you agree with, FoldN! That's where the SMP worldview gets a lot of traction, the ****ing nursing home. Not the college campus. Academia is for us, you know, intellectual types. Curious types. Free thinkers. SMP recoils from that, which is why it was a safe space.
lol

your straw world is a very curious place Fly. Do you find it safer than reality?
07-04-2016 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adios
Yes but the choices seem to be it is a microagresssion or it is overt racism. Too broad of a brush in my view.




it isn't about we, my being happy/satisfied actually. It is about understanding people and how they think and what they believe.



LOL wat? The second time in your reply you have mentioned my happiness which is irrelevant to this discussion. Again not all slights are the same and what motivates people to say/act they way they found varies widely.



All you support apparently is simple minded ideas and concepts about what motivates people. Good luck to you.
Because of course I meant your literal happiness and it was not a rhetorical point about accepting the merits of an argument.

It's a complete mystery as to what you're whining about other than that nobody has as of yet come up with a full hierarchy of prejudicial actions.

Okay, probably nobody's going to do that in a way that satisfies you completely (or "makes you happy"). Maybe you can add a couple more tiers so you can enjoy the semantics of what goes where. I don't know how this really helps, but go ahead.

The point of microaggressions is to highlight the small things that occur that reflect prejudiced beliefs. Nobody is denying any of the other stuff in between.

      
m