It's not funny, he's trying to sleep but having nightmares about 18-21yo liberal arts bullies trapping him in their safe spaces. He escapes one, but then a black transgirl with sidewalk chalk declares another!

I think many in here needs to listen to what Steven Pinker has to say and take a long look inwards instead of lashing out at any opinion differing from your own. This specific forum can pretty much serve as a field study on the effects when a certain viewpoint becomes to strong. Everything that opposes it gets shunned, ridiculed and ultimately silenced and that is exactly the same thing that happens on campuses that are heavily right wing or left wing. There is rarely any actual debate around here because of that, and if there is a hint of debate developing that quickly gets shut down by the majority that doesnt want the echo chamber and their safe spaces challenged.



I know lulz utoobes but i picked a short one so you ADD kids maybe could suffer through.

A certain a viewpoint has "become too strong"? What viewpoint is that? What viewpoints would you like to see more of here for the sake of diversity?

Unless a poster is banned isn't he choosing silence? Do you mean there are posters who want to bring up viewpoints that they feel will result in being banned, so they're unfairly forced to stay mum?

yeah but sputnik you get shouted down because you plain just lie about ****.

When you posted the following posts you were asked for the evidence that boys graduating with rates sufficient to go to university were plummeting. Now given this was a scientific paper you were writing I expected you had a source for this. Absent that you could just translate the scientific paper you wrote.

In case you think this is unfair I'm pointing out that attempts to discuss stuff with you get shot down by you straight up lying about your "research".

Great, the MRAs have escaped containment.

I dont care about specific viewpoints, i care about the behaviour that arises when differing viewpoints are expressed. Everything that is left is good and everything right is bad and vice versa. You can only challenge a viewpoint if you yourself is part of the group and even then you have to be extremely careful not to look like you share anything with the other side. Look at how Chezlaw is treated when he tries to debate. Since he swings both ways... and doesnt always agree with the dominant viewpoint on this forum he is constantly ridiculed. If you arent part of that view you have some kind of devious ulterior motive to challenge anything. Always blaming bad things on others and taking sole credit for the good. Its the same behaviour politicians do just to save their own character instead of actually achieving anything and that drives me nuts.

The reason i ignored you was because you didnt contribute anything to the argument that where had at the moment. All you did was constantly trying to derail the discussion and therefor was treated with the ignore function. Learn civility and you will see that people will actually treat you better...

I am now done with my paper and i will gladly share my findings with people that are interested in the actual findings and not just dying to expose the liar...

No you made a claim with regard to a paper you were writing, I didn't even want the paper I wanted evidence that one of the premises your paper was based on existed. I asked for it pretty immediately after you posted the second of those quoted posts and you just ignored it. Continually and I suspect that it's because it doesn't exist.

Is that an official rule?

What happens if you aren't extremely careful about your posts?

You should try it. My advise would be to not clench so hard in fear of posting something "incorrect" and just let it flow. Also listen to what Pinker says in the vid i posted and do some self reflection about the fears of not fitting in. It will do wonders i promise.

Your post doesn't answer what you quoted.

Never seen it. All I see is an onslaught of non sequiturs and an inexplicable sense of contentment with himself.

And your post didnt really want an answer and was only posted as a snide remark for your own perceived benefit. The answer is in the post so try reading it and not just trying to find gotchas.

It would have taken you less time to answer it than not answer it. Just as it would have been really easy to provide evidence that boys with grades good enough to continue in education are plummeting in Sweden.

You see that when he disagrees sure. In this thread he has been pretty much on the "good" side so the usual bombardment towards him has been pretty much nonexistant because hes only nuts when he disagrees and totally sane and correct when he agrees.

If you are so keen on debating this go to the apropriate thread and stop derailing... Learn that the sun doesnt revolve around you and stop demanding that others do what you please. You had not taken part in any of the discussion and came flying in demanding that i had to show YOU because that was so important. If someone that actually was part of the discussion had demanded it i would have taken my time but now i just didnt and instead enjoyed the self righteous rage that ensued...

You think certain (unspecified) viewpoints have become too strong, while also not caring about specific viewpoints. One is permitted to challenge "a viewpoint" only if they're part of "the group" (is that official?), and even then one has to be extremely careful not to appear to "share anything with the other side" because reasons. Don't be afraid of posting something "incorrect" and "just let it flow."

What if you know the correct answer? Also, if one removes their filter and just let's their id flow, they're very likely going to end up posting offensive things. Most of us have a filter for a reason, we all think crummy things at times.

One thing that doesn't apply here (or colleges I'm pretty sure) is then being on the extreme of the left or right. The group dynamics Pinker is talking about and which so obviously do apply here is defending a moderate position. What's so unusual is the defense of a moderate tolerant political position using the immoderate, intolerant methods usually reserved for extremists.

It's really rather interesting especially as the group isn't defending itself against extremists as much as defending itself about anyone who oppose the group dynamic. They more than anything else want a safe space where no-one mentions or questions the posts we have seen in this thread that try to rid themselves of anyone who they see as not part of their group.

You will almost never have the 100% correct answer but a problem will occur if you believe that you do. Many in here believe so hard that they are correct that the notion of being incorrect becomes personal.

When it comes to the filter i agree that everyone needs it but the question is how much do you filter? And for what purpose? Is the emperor naked and do you have the courage to say it?

But is it really moderate anymore if using such tactics?

And this is not so much an issue when the group is relatively small. We usually call those cults and they rarely clash with society. In universities and even growing outside we see the bigger groups exhibiting the same behaviour and the issue is that they clash with society and demand that their needs are met despite it clashing with everyone elses.

Personally? Sarcastic without being overly discourteous, or if discourtesy is in order, discourteous without being cruel.*

For the purpose of not causing too much offense or harm in my quest for lols and entertainment.

Maybe I have "the courage", but I wouldn't want to mistake sadism for courage.

*probably just my ideal, still have a lot to work on.

It get's blurred when we are talking about the politics of the forum but that's just within the context of a forum which is barely real politics. It's the political views abut the world that are moderate - no doubt there are forums where the group dynamic is the same (or far worse because here it's largely unsupported by the moderators) but the political views are very extreme. The later would be very bad whereas this place, to risk getting zinged by ziggy, is more on the lines of 'fascinating'.

I struggle hard to see the problem you mean in real life but I suppose that's the issue being mentioned by Obama and Foldn as well. It's always a danger but is it really a problem?

No you didn't post it because it doesn't exist.

You upset because I'm invading your safe space? /rerail

For the record I asked you to provide evidence because I am sure it doesn't exist so I am saying that you lied in your posts, if you are happy with me continuing to point out that you lie to win internet arguments you can ignore the request indefinitely. It's not in my interest that you post it it's in yours given it will demonstrate you were telling the truth.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to say whatever you want wherever you want without anyone saying anything back at you.

Its amazing how the piece of **** scum MRAs, white supremacists and racists etc don't get this. At least they agree black Jewish women are to blame, I guess.

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Yes it can become a real problem. Much of what is happening in western Europe is imo caused by left extreme ideology. There is a huge rise in right wing authoritarian partys going on and those are created by the left going way overboard. One extreme is always going to get countered by another extreme and thats whats happening and thats what is dangerous with pampering to exclusive groups with extreme agendas. Let them grow unopposed and bad things will happen.

Sweden is a great example of this. As a socialist country that has always been very left(even our right wingers are more left than most countries left) but we have introduced special extreme left interest groups namely feminism as dogma and excluded alot of people and that has created a space for a real right wing party to grow. A party that was founded by nazis now have about 20% of the vote and that would never have happened unless we gave these special extreme left groups carte blanche to do what they wanted unopposed.