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Who's being censored here? Whose speech is being restricted? Seinfeld doesn't want to play college towns bc kids don't think he's funny. That's not exactly a 1st Ammendment crisis.

I'm not going to do all the work for you. There are plenty of articles posted describing professors losing their jobs, and others amending their course material so as not to offend the delecate sensibilities of a few loud students. Speakers are disinvited from campus for holding different political opinions. There's more, read. Obama has even weighed in more than once, and that has also been posted ITT.

04-06-2016 , 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

FoldN- Like, you quoted the Seinfeld thing. Did you read it? Do you understand that there was never actually something that happened to either Seinfeld or Rock? Seinfeld "heard" the same **** as you and, as an old, was complaining about these kids these days. They weren't basing those statements on personal experience.

The whole thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Obviously, saying something really racist or sexist can damage a comic's career no matter where they say it. And unless they are setting weird age limits for their regular shows, not sure how you avoid having college kids in the audience.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/chris...n_6250308.html

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Not in their political views — not like they’re voting Republican — but in their social views and their willingness not to offend anybody. Kids raised on a culture of “We’re not going to keep score in the game because we don’t want anybody to lose.” Or just ignoring race to a fault. You can’t say “the black kid over there.” No, it’s “the guy with the red shoes.” You can’t even be offensive on your way to being inoffensive."

Rich asked when Rock started to notice that.

“Probably a couple of tours ago,” Rock responded. “It was just like, This is not as much fun as it used to be. I remember talking to George Carlin before he died and him saying the exact same thing.”

This is part of the reason I think it will work itself out. Most people, especially liberals (who don't enjoy trolling on the internet) don't want to put up with this tight-ass intolerant baby bs.

Here's Louis CK on why he quit playing colleges:

http://www.comedycouch.com/interviews/lck.htm

Quote:

GM: You talk about the parents who love this material
of yours. Do you think audiences are becoming more
accepting of dark material than in the past?
LCK: I don't know if that's true because I think we
can sort of tell by how we vote in this country. We
keep regenerating as both kinds of person. It really
seems that we'll always be 43 percent crazy liberals
and 43 percent bizarrely conservative Republicans. And
then this sort of weird mish-mash in the middle. It
seems like that will always be the case. A lot of
times young people, they cringe at stuff. Also, people
reject dark humour for different reasons. Conservative
people reject it because they just have sort of a
Christian "don't talk like that" idea. But then the
left rejects because "oh, you're being offensive to
women or you're being offensive to homosexuals or
using off-colour humour. You're talking about race
which means you must be racist." You actually get in
more trouble from the left for free speech kind of
like wild ideas than you do from people on the right.
Which is weird.

GM: Just a knee-jerk reaction to it rather thinking
what it's about.
LCK: Years ago I did a show at UNH in New Hampshire. I
don't do college shows anymore, and this is why. I'm
doing a show and I did an old joke of mine where I
said, "I read that 80 percent of the people in New
York are minorities. Which is funny, because shouldn't
you not call them minorities when they get to 80
percent? Like you could take a white guy to Africa and
he'd be going, 'Look at all the minorities. I'm the
only majority.'" Whatever. So that was the joke. And I
was at UNH, the University of New Hampshire, and when
I got to the part where I said 80 percent of the
people in New York are minorities, people booed me.
Hissed. And I said, "What's the problem?" And someone
just said, "You're a racist." And I said, "Why am I
racist?" "Because you said minorities." And I asked
the whole audience, "Do you all agree that that makes
me a racist because I just mentioned minorities?" And
they all said yes.

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So the specific issue is that Seinfeld and Rock need to avoid is...

Butt sticks.

04-06-2016 , 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Which professor lost his/her job? What course was altered?

04-06-2016 , 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Which professor lost his/her job? What course was altered?

I'm not doing any more work for you. This is it. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/...cademia_s.html

04-06-2016 , 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

I'm not doing any more work for you. This is it. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/...cademia_s.html

Do you agree that you would be hypocritical if, in the future, you question an easily verifiable assertion by someone instead of searching for it yourself?

It's not just you. There are many posters, some who usually disagree with you, who claim that there are many examples to back their claims but are too lazy to post a link to any of them. This implies that the knowledge is so common that there must be something wrong with anyone who claims to be unaware.

04-06-2016 , 02:07 PM

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Is this issue just so emotional for you that you can't answer any questions, FoldN?

04-06-2016 , 02:10 PM

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It's just that there have already been a dozen or so links posted that anyone could read, and Trolly always be trollin yo.

Anyway, here's another

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...professor.html

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But Quenette did nothing of the sort. What she did was make the mistake of using the n-word—during a discussion in which she was admitting her own shortcomings about race. She didn’t use the word maliciously: She was, quite literally, checking her privilege. Isn’t that exactly what far-left students want from their classmates, administrators, and professors?

04-06-2016 , 02:15 PM

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No one got fired in that example. Try again.

04-06-2016 , 02:22 PM

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From my radical conservative FB friend who occasionally ventures outside of his safe space to share his views with the world.

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“you can’t redistribute wealth without destroying the incentives to create wealth.” Milton Friedman

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/u...e-us-really-is

LOL Federalist Papers.

04-06-2016 , 02:24 PM

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At my tenure review I was told that I was "on fire" which led to a rather embarrassing misunderstanding. Perhaps something like that happened here?

04-06-2016 , 02:34 PM

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I don't even know where to begin.

04-06-2016 , 02:40 PM

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FlyWf

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FoldN- An ongoing thing where you assume that everyone else is just as willfully misinformed as you is reaching peak FoldN with this **** were you keep on requoting the same assertion. Son, not only have I read those Seinfeld and Rock interviews, I read them before this thread even.

But as if by magic, here we have an article about an actual effort by politicians to create actual policy:
http://gawker.com/state-senator-emai...-th-1768979425

jk jk this isn't easily mockable PC gone amok because it's just Honest God Fearing Real 'Mericans, and it was the Democratic governor who vetoed it.

04-06-2016 , 02:45 PM

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Like, all this "sticks in butts" ****, FoldN, you cry like a bitch on the internet over mere exposure to liberal thought 24/7. That's literally why you're here, your posts in this forum are a ****posting vendetta against a forum that used language you disapprove of to discuss the issues of the day. A vendetta that is in year like 2.

So it's a mote/plank situation. Maybe if Baby FoldN had been exposed to more varied thought in his education he wouldn't FREAK OUT at, for example, the mere existence of Critical Race Theory?

But let's grant all your lol illinformed reactionary bull****. So Rock and Seinfeld are unwilling to play college gigs because of fear of "butt sticks", which apparently means "audience disapproval". What you're telling me is that these 50 year old millionaires need a safe space to perform their standup?

04-06-2016 , 02:51 PM

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I'm sure there's a point here somewhere? What, do you think I'm defending right wing censorship? Lol, of course you do because you think anyone who argues with you is an evil RWer or something. No, sorry fly, right wing censorship is bad, left wing censorship is bad. It's been pointed out before how often the most rabid on each side of the aisle tend to act in the same manner.

And if you read those interviews where Rock, Louis CK and others explained why they won't play colleges anymore because in their experience the students are too unreasonable and sensitive, then you must agree with them and me, and Obama, right?

04-06-2016 , 02:58 PM

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FoldN- Uh, do you remember how this little tangent started? Try real hard. That link is the point, this thing where you make weird arguments to authority* and ask me if I agree.

If I agree about *what*? What is the point you're trying to make? In your own words, and keep in mind I don't regard any of those people as experts worthy of deference on this, so please don't just requote the same **** you've already posted.

*SMPtards, of course, are absolutely garbage at logic.

04-06-2016 , 03:03 PM

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It's simple. Free speech is paramount - the bedrock of civil society - and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to be silenced.

04-06-2016 , 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

It will be a small number, ikes.

The key is that the right wing didn't brand their trigger warnings as that, they branded them as like, parent's rights.

So, for example, when you pull your kids out of school to stop them from learning about evolution or global warming or the homosexual agenda, that's not "safe space" stuff, that's just being conservative.

When Texas rewrites textbooks to glorify conservative politicians, downplay the horrors of slavery, and so forth, that's not a trigger warning over reality's well known liberal bias, that's just being conservative.

Really the fault here is that idiot liberal campus activists picked such poor easily-mocked branding, but yeah, ikes, remember where you pick this stuff up. It's not from reputable news sources, now, is it? It's from your stories. Which you read because you can't deal with reading mainstream newspapers, cause the mainstream press might publish a column about rape culture or whatever.

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There's a massive difference between isolating yourself and forcing your isolation on others. I'm not sure what dailykos nonsense you're cribbing from here but it's ****ing terrible.

FoldN one of the many amazing things about not being disingenuous because you know your real views would get you exiled to Unchained is that many of have ACTUAL ARGUMENTS which we then BACK UP WITH EVIDENCE.

You just having whining about how people disagree with you on the internet and "won't let" you say what you really think about blacks, the Holocaust, rape, etc.

04-06-2016 , 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Right, but you're the expert, lol. No, nobody is an expert, we're all just giving our shytty opinions. That's how this works.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoldnDark

I think it will take care of itself by way of healthy criticism and discourse. I read that Carlos Mencia recently almost got booted from a college for edgy material that offended some people, but after much deliberation the college decided not to. That's a good sign. Maybe the long held belief that if you don't like something, then don't go buy a ticket watch it is finally starting to win out, we'll see.

04-06-2016 , 03:12 PM

#269

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I still don't know what you're asking me if I agree about.

04-06-2016 , 03:22 PM

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FoldN complaining about safe spaces breaks the irony meter. You seemed to have a different view about free and vibrant speech about your expose of how, to use your direct quote, "bitches be lyin".

04-06-2016 , 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

You mean that the views you insist upon imposing. Let's not dismiss the possibility you are simply wrong.

Can you explain your problems in terms of the views expressed by Obama? We might get a discussion on the substance rather than on your SMP thingy.

04-06-2016 , 04:58 PM

#272

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Right, these guys aren't banned and there weren't protests. They just don't do college shows because they don't think college kids like their jokes. This just in: 18 year olds don't like comedian their dad thinks is awesome. KIDS THESE DAYS I TELL YA

04-06-2016 , 05:11 PM

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Actually that's pretty silly. College age kids generally love Louis CK, Chris Rock, et al. Those comedians quit touring colleges because of a few douchebags who runied it for the rest of them.

04-06-2016 , 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

FoldN complaining about safe spaces breaks the irony meter. You seemed to have a different view about free and vibrant speech about your expose of how, to use your direct quote, "bitches be lyin".

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

I think you guys are getting confused with me and other people disagreeing with you. I don't think I've ever called for anyone to be banned, and I've never even reported a post.

Telling you to get the stick out your ass is not like asking for a safe space, lol.

04-06-2016 , 05:19 PM

#275

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Actually that's pretty silly. College age kids generally love Louis CK, Chris Rock, et al. Those comedians quit touring colleges because of a few douchebags who runied it for the rest of them.

Ah yes, professional stand up comedians are notoriously thin skinned. Just took one douche not laughing at a gay joke and THATS IT SCREW YOU GUYS

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