I don't think he is the only politician who promotes sustainable fiscal policy. It seems silly to demand to have a thread on RP and not allow criticism. Imagine people demanding that for Obama or anybody else. Sure RP is far less relevant in having an impact on the US government than pretty much anybody else that could reasonably have a thread, but he is trying to do that so there is no valid justification to stifle criticism.

That's fine and dandy but it's clear to all you're grasping at straws.

You are correct. I apologize for suggesting that things might be better for black people now compared to when it was legal to enslave them. Later dude.

I never said it was through government policy. The biggest change is in people themselves. Society as a whole is ok with any adult owning land or women working, which has had a profound positive impact on modern society when you compare it to the past. I also think people have a very, very white washed view of american history and don't know how awful things were then. Even paragon of individual freedom Thomas Jefferson strongly supported a treason conviction on Aaron Burr based on no evidence just because he was a political opponent. Before that journalists were arrested for just criticizing powerful people via the Alien and Sedition Acts. Crap like that has happened at all times in the US. To think people were free just because they didn't pay income tax requires profound ignorance of history.

Sources imo

Or just a very specific definition of liberty. "Sortbyeffectivetaxrate, become freedom expert.jpg" as it were.

The profound ignorance of history is icing on the cake.

GT- Is appealing solely to upper-middle-class white males a good electoral strategy, do you think?

no its not.

good thing RP doesn't do that.

Ohhh, you're saying that his one statement of "we used to be free-er" makes it so he only appeals to upper middle class whites?

That's a great argument Fly, I'm sure logic like that was highly regarded in your law school classes. Is it possible that he's made other statements which would appeal to people other than upper middle class whites? Or do you actually believe he's only made that one statement ever, and therefore, his electoral strategy is appealing solely to upper middle class whites?

There is also the self defeating libertarian arguments. We know markets can never allow exclusionary racist policies because they will make less money than racially inclusive businesses. So the fact that businesses were racist everywhere 100 years ago means that the government was oppressing all these white business owners, forcing them to institute racist policies, not sell their land to black people etc. So obv these white men were being oppressed because if they weren't, black people would have had the same economic rights as whites!!

CRITICAL STRIKE! GO MAX GO!!!!!!!

No, but there are strong selective pressures against the survival of such businesses. Obviously all it takes for such a business to exist is one individual with the means to fund its opening.

Ron Paul interview on Ron Paul Money Bomb Radio - July 19,2011

Max Raker, irrelevantly discussing IQ and math as per usual.

It's like Phil Hellmuth, every conversation ends up at the same stupid place.

Care to name a few?

If a seller doesn't want to sell something to a buyer because of the color of the buyer's skin (or any other reason), then that is the seller's goddamned right to refuse the sale.

Max gonna Max. ~ Neblis

Come on. Somebody claimed that the average ron paul supporter has an IQ of 135. Since you went to Princeton, I am certain you can appreciate how wrong that is.

I never said it wasn't. Libertarians claim (or atleast have claimed in the past on this very site) that these businesses will automatically fail. Try reading the posts you are responding to, what you claimed is actually necessary for my argument. If it is illegal to discriminate the argument breaks down.

higher than yours trollzilla

more likely <> automatically

Modulo some efficient market hypotheses they are equivalent.

And this really can't be argued. Either markets can get stuck in local maxima that are far less efficient than global maxima or white business men in the 1800s were forced by the government to be racist. Hopefully it is obvious which is correct.

I'm still wondering who this mythical libertarian Max Raker is arguing against who made the case that free markets preclude descrimination. I mean, it's a pretty obvious straw man.

This is awful. In the last two hundred years your white cracker ass has gained the liberty to have a daughter that can vote and make her own choices. Or the liberty join political parties of your choice. Or to be openly homosexual. Jesus you now have the liberty to actually speak out against your government now.

Yes, I can see how this would be seen as a + on the liberty for women side...Not related to me at all, though.

IDK what this means, did it used to be illegal to join political parties?

That'd be nice but it doesn't apply to me.

When did this one start?

Libertarians: liberty for me (only).

Definitely fits into the "self-identified libertarians are antisocial jerks whom one should dissociate from in public" idea.

You have an interesting vision of freedom, where we can literally enslave and kill "other" people without impacting your liberty.

Restricting "things you wouldn't want to do anyway" doesn't impinge your liberty? You should join up with the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" crowd and support the police state -- as long as they are laws you agree with and would follow anyway, how does it impact your liberty? Maybe it makes you feel more free!

Does it impact close relations, friends, neighbors? Who cares: let them worry about their own liberty. Rational self-interest and the free market will help them overcome society's ills. I'm a libertarian: I have better things to do with my liberty than concern myself with the freedom of others.

Also, are things like the Alien and Sedition Acts completely outside of your historical knowledge?

Tsao, come on, you can do better. Check yourself for symptoms of heat stroke, and move to an emergency cooling center.

anyone have any idea what Ron is up to on the campaign trail?