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10-21-2011 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fermion5
RP just finished up a speech at Univ of Iowa. It was on CSPAN2. Tube will come later.

The Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition Forum will be on CSPAN tomorrow (the 22nd) at 7pm ET. RP and most of the other candidates will be there. There will also be a livestream at:
www.c-span.org/live-video/c-span





I was there. U jelly?

I wish my camera on my phone was better.

10-21-2011 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BurningSquirrel
it is only beneficiary to Germany because the communes get taxes for the bases and the soldiers are spending their money. R.P should not be opposed to Americans to spend theri money outside of the US.
That's just what I said. We're inserting money into your economy. He's not opposed to Americans spending money internationally. He's opposed to the government stealing money from its citizens and spending it internationally.

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The US soldiers are basically still occupying Germany, Imagine a German military officer walking to your city at night it is a little strange, I do not mind it though. I am living in a former brit zone though and they are mostly gone.
I don't want to imagine it. It's horrifying. What we're doing around the world is despicable.
10-21-2011 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Raker
This shows Gingrich as the clear 2nd as late as May. And Gingrich never getting higher than 15% this year (like Paul) is probably why he hasn't gotten Romney, Perry, or (now) Cain level coverage over the last few months. Or you know... some sort of infinitely fine tuned anti-newt bias.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-1452.html
Even if he was second amongst candidates still in the race today in those polls, doesn't mean he was ever a clear second nationally. His RCP average of 7.7% was not good enough for second in late May. Taking the five May polls before Paul overtakes him with a good poll on 5/27, here is the average:

17% Huckabee
16% Romney
14% Palin
11% Trump
10% Cain
9% Gingrich
8% Paul
6% Bachmann
6% Pawlenty

Clear second? Eh...

Last edited by Scary_Tiger; 10-21-2011 at 11:33 PM.
10-21-2011 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Even if he was second amongst candidates still in the race today in those polls, doesn't mean he was ever a clear second nationally. His RCP average of 7.7% was not good enough for second in late May. Taking the five May polls before Paul overtakes him with a good poll on 5/27, here is the average:

17% Huckabee
16% Romney
14% Palin
11% Trump
10% Cain
9% Gingrich
8% Paul
6% Bachmann
6% Pawlenty

Clear second? Eh...
Fair enough... he was only clear second amongst people still in the race up until may. But either way it doesn't really help wrt to anti-Paul bias as you have to add in candidates that peaked higher than paul despite never actually joining the race. The easy way to show an anti-paul bias is to peg a random candidate with getting the exact amount of deserved support and say that paul being less than that proves a bias. But that is clearly artificial. In any global model that allows for all candidates to be either talked about too much or too little, it is hard to really pick out any true and significant outliers
10-22-2011 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tannenj
max, you probably won't see this b/c you probably have me on ignore (someone quote my post if you feel like it [never mind, anyone who would quote it is probably on max's ignore list too, lol]), but to me, you don't come across as very smart at all, just being honest. your "arguments" are terrible, you kinda suck at writing, and you constantly choose words incorrectly (in your last post, it's "affect," not "effect," and it's "whom," not "who"). i'd be astonished if your iq was higher than that of the average poster ITT. i don't like you, but i'm still capable of being objective on this.

aside from that, you're clearly a ******, but that's a different issue.

I am willing to bet on my in a monitored IQ (or similar) test for fairly big money if you are interested. 130 was the previous established paultard average IQ and I'm fine with taking the over on that. Don't PM me, just post here saying you're interested if you are and I'll PM you to start negotiating details. These things never actually get done, but I figured I'd take the free roll of offering.
10-22-2011 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by orestto
More than 40,000 people dead in Mexico so far due to the "War on Drugs", think this is pretty good data that it is failing. Plus the cartels are so insanely powerful now, corruption is rampant. It would be insanely good news for Mexicans to get marihuana legalized in the US, it'd be such a big hit to cartels. They gain power because of Prohibition, not in spite of it.
really? I don't know 1 person who smokes ****ty mexican weed. I think we overestimate the role weed plays in the cartel's. It's all about coke, heroin, and human trafficking.
10-22-2011 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by joeyDizzle
cnn is not fair

somewhere there's an off air cnn clip that somehow got released where the guy is talking to the correspondent at some type of gathering, maybe a tea party rally? the guy in studio says "come to me if you get any palin news, hold all that ron paul stuff"

now, maybe cnn is like the govt and they know best and there is also certainly a market for palin news
http://video.godlikeproductions.com/...091e30a378.flv
10-22-2011 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MrAdvantage
really? I don't know 1 person who smokes ****ty mexican weed. I think we overestimate the role weed plays in the cartel's. It's all about coke, heroin, and human trafficking.
Yeah I agree with this. I don't really know for sure, but the damage of the war on drugs wrt weed seems rather minimal. By all means go ahead and legalize it, but to pretend that it would have a huge impact on the negative effects of the war on drugs seems pretty disingenuous.
10-22-2011 , 06:29 AM
I smoke ****ty Mexican weed :/


wtf at the statement above?


What are most people in jail for drugs in for? Marijuana.

Last edited by LirvA; 10-22-2011 at 06:30 AM. Reason: come on wizard
10-22-2011 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MrAdvantage
really? I don't know 1 person who smokes ****ty mexican weed. I think we overestimate the role weed plays in the cartel's. It's all about coke, heroin, and human trafficking.
Actually about half the drug cartels' business is marijuana.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=126978142
10-22-2011 , 10:38 AM
U of Iowa poll fri 10/21

Cain 37
Romney 27
Paul 12
Gingrich 8
Bachmann 4
Perry 6
Santorum 3
Huntsman 1


daaaammmnnnn@ Cain getting 37 pct


http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2011/...%20Topline.pdf

edit: this may be the one someone posted yesterday, but not sure
10-22-2011 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
I smoke ****ty Mexican weed :/


wtf at the statement above?


What are most people in jail for drugs in for? Marijuana.
Ok maybe I'm wrong. Is this really true? That seems absurd to me. Like what do you have to do to go to jail for marijuana? I thought unless you were dealing it is basically impossible.

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Actually about half the drug cartels' business is marijuana.
Well damn ok then.
10-22-2011 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tzwien
That's just what I said. We're inserting money into your economy. He's not opposed to Americans spending money internationally. He's opposed to the government stealing money from its citizens and spending it internationally.
Not only that but printing money without the backing of gold is suicidal (at the rate US is currently doing). We can take a look at how USD has performed vs EUR in the last 15 years since EUR was introduced - we can see USD has steadily weakened against the EUR. Some may argue that historical data isn't a good indication of future events. But one look at the current US deficit, it's budget plans and spending - it's clear to see that if something drastically is not done then the superpower we know as USA will be over within 5 years time.

You have clowns like Bachmann and Santorum jumping on the bandwagon that Iran is developing its nuclear powers to take over the west and Saudi Arabia as the leader of the Middle East. What does that mean? One thing - more spending on foreign policy if they get elected. Equating to more unnecessary debt.

RP's 1 trillion plan has received mixed views (or any media coverage for that matter!). However it's the only one that looks at the real issue - cut spending. Cut those unnecessary federal departments in the next few years. End all foreign interventions and policies. Give more freedom to all Americans.

I really hope Ron Paul will win the GOP nomination and take on Obama for the president seat. Otherwise it's bye bye America.
10-22-2011 , 01:02 PM
Exactly my thoughts. Though I think 5 years is being generous. Bernanke and (insert status quo president here) will have the US like Zimbabwe in less than 3 at the pace we're going imo. The fed just doesn't understand economics and is doing the opposite of what they should be doing. Every. Single. Time.

The amount of money that has already been printed up but hasn't been introduced in the market yet is astounding. Hyperinflation could hit anytime in the next few years.
10-22-2011 , 01:30 PM
Ron Paul speaks tonight at the Faith and Freedom Forum on C-SPAN.

Here’s the agenda:
4:30 – 6 p.m.: Registration, meet-and-greet, buffet dinner
6 p.m.: C-SPAN begins live coverage
6:33 – 6:45 p.m.: Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee
6:45 – 7:07: Herman Cain
7:07 – 7:29: Michele Bachmann
7:29 – 7:51: Rick Perry
7:51 – 8:13: Newt Gingrich
8:13 – 8:35: Ron Paul
8:35 – 8:57: Rick Santorum
10-22-2011 , 04:13 PM
I mean seriously, us forces troops on Germany ergo us subsidizes germany's lifestyle? ****ing weak.
10-22-2011 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by applejuicekid
Ok maybe I'm wrong. Is this really true? That seems absurd to me. Like what do you have to do to go to jail for marijuana? I thought unless you were dealing it is basically impossible.



Well damn ok then.

Here in Oklahoma, which is one of the strictest states in the nation, you can get arrested for having a roach. You can get arrested for having a seed. You can get up to life in prison for selling weed. You can get up to life in prison for making hash. It's not impossible in the slightest.


Just watch this and tell me marijuana is irrelevant in the war on drugs.



Last edited by LirvA; 10-22-2011 at 04:28 PM.
10-22-2011 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by applejuicekid
Ok maybe I'm wrong. Is this really true? That seems absurd to me. Like what do you have to do to go to jail for marijuana? I thought unless you were dealing it is basically impossible.
It's typically repeat offenders. Most states won't give jail time for 1st offenses under X grams, with that amount ranging from 15 to 30 grams from what I've seen. Also the case of being in the wrong place(too close to a school) that increases the charges. If we're talking prison it's rarely for simple possession, usually selling, growing or trafficking.
10-22-2011 , 04:35 PM
I think RP just won the Ohio straw poll?
10-22-2011 , 04:39 PM
did he?
10-22-2011 , 04:46 PM
Yeah he crushed. Doubt Ohio matters though
10-22-2011 , 04:47 PM
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2011/oct/...ity-ar-798129/

Ron Paul 53.50%

Herman Cain 25.47%

Mitt Romney 8.88%

Newt Gingrich 5.37%

Rick Perry 2.80%

Jon Huntsman 2.10%

Rick Santorum .93%

Michele Bachmann .47%
10-22-2011 , 04:49 PM
"Cain beats Romney in Ohio straw poll, Perry in Fifth"
10-22-2011 , 04:51 PM
So Ron Paul has won Ohio, California, and nearly won Iowa.

move along, nothing to see here.

      
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