I saw that PBS show! True story.

Lol you guys really go nuts on the strawmen on this one. I mean you couldn't take everything I just said and boil it down to a more childish, vague, simplistic characterization.

I couldn't have said more times that I think drugs are different, based on nothing but hard-learned experience. I don't think a war on drugs is good. Nor do I think that users should be criminalized. I just don't want to see crack for sale at 7-11. Yet you come back with: "you think drugs are really bad, you think your morals/opinions are better than everyone elses" where you sound like a 12-year-old.

It's just weird. This is why I really think you have some emotional connection to this issue, like it's tied in with still rebelling against your parents or something.

As far as the values, you realize I also have the same values as 99.9% of other parents out there, right? It's not like I'm talking voodoo or anything. I think most would think your plan is a much much "scarier road".

I'm really trying to stop trolling you guys but you just keep sucking me back in.

Yeah basically most people fall into one of the two categories - high stimulation (coke/meth) or low stimulation (heroin/pills). Except for the really ****ed people who love both.

There was some football player who had an 80 vicodin/day habit, and did everything else under the sun, who said heroin and crack together was like kissing God. I don't want to know that feeling.

I had plenty of access to coke and I still did lots of crack. They're very different highs. Or are you saying it never would have been invented? That seems pretty spurious.

As far as the liquor store analogy, I'll take my chances with my kids not buying crack at all in the status quo.

It's ok suzzer I like you

Also how about them cars. Dangerous murder weapons...WTF people are allowed to use those at age 16...the **** :O

lol legal crack for 5-year-olds. Good luck with that.

Cars have positive utility value. Risks are weighed vs. utility. Pragmatism ftw.

I mean hey cars kill people, so why not give kids access to bazookas? Reducto ad absurdum is fun! Oh yeah, you're probably cool with that as well.

hey everyone suzzer is a crackhead act surprised

parents tho

Some people may work better on coke. Athletes can compete harder on roids.
(please don't take the part above this note too seriously)

But your point is an interesting one. As long as there's positive utility value it's ok to allow something? Because I thought previously your stance was that we need to protect people.
Who defines said utility value and how is it measured?

Drugs provide lots of utility for the people that want to do drugs. That's exactly why they want to do them.

Legal, regulated roids is an interesting issue. Roids have a lot of positive effects if not abused. My only concern would be if that makes them a ton easier to get for HS kids.

I wouldn't be opposed to selling roids in vending machines at private schools.

Anybody that has kicked I have all the respect in the world for. I think the US policy on drugs is horrific. I would love to see a more humane answer. A world where meth is cheap and pure and readily available is not a good alternative in my opinion.
Congrats Suzz on making it out.

I was never more than a weekend warrior and always had a job. But I definitely stood at the edge of the cliff and looked over. Certainly one thing that saved me was the risk, effort and crappiness of the stuff I was getting. If super pure stuff was really easy to get I might not be alive right now.

You see these boy soldiers in Africa, or street urchins in Romania, who are already addicted to hard drugs at age 13 and it's absolutely heartbreaking. Their lives are over before they even start.

And with that shameless appeal to emotion wrapped in a "won't someone think of the children", I'm really going to try to bow out for a bit.

lol people just seek substitutes when it's expensive. you don't think people can just walk into Wal-Mart and find something to get high on? look, it sucks, but people do actually have to work towards helping each other (taking some time beyond voting) if they want to be serious about each other's welfare. the law doesn't just make things happen.

is this still the Ron Paul containment thread?

Ron Paul will be on "Meet the Press" this Sunday.

the root of the problem is that people want to get high, not that they are buying drug x, y, z.

add: also, not saying recreational use is a problem. but, kid use is.

Huffing paint is about 100x less fun than crack.

DAMMIT!

back to Ron Paul, I'm feeling better about his chances. I like how he slammed conservative talk radio, and then got them to endorse his plan all in one week. I like how the debate went with Perry sniping at Romney making them both less likeable. I like how Herman Cain's 999 plan is getting attention, because it's little more than giftwrapping. I liked Ron Paul's performance. I think the tide might be turning a little bit in Ron's favor.

The problem is aside from specific Ron Paul segments on shows, if you watch CNN/MSNBC/FNC, all you get is Perry/Romney/Cain talk. Sometimes they'll throw in Bachmann/Gingrich, but rarely Paul.

must be why I don't watch them hardly ever. it was a great interview on hannity where they discussed this quote.

he backed away a little bit saying "we're coming closer together." lolz

The problem is they are not talking about ron paul when they are not talking about ron paul?

He'll have a great chance if the candidates keep speaking their minds on TV. The other GOP candidates can't keep this up much longer before their true colors start showing.

Example: Confused Cain Says Abortions Should Be Both Legal And Illegal

Cain flip flops like 3 or 4 times within 60 seconds.