Have you ever smoked a hit of glass? You feel like you're 100' tall and bulletproof. Sex feels like every nerve ending of your body is on fire. There always be plenty of takers.

lol jinx

i've been exposed to all of the above. I bet you have no drug experience or experience with people with drugs. just a hunch.

what are you feelings about alcohol by the way and why do your arguments not equally apply?

And what you fail to realize is the bad nature of drugs is occurring during an apparent prohibition. What do you forsee as the downside of the prohibition ending exactly relative to the current circumstances?

I have experience with pretty much everything except heroin. Coke/crack way more so than glass or meth. It's fairly well-documented on this forum.

Crack is not the same thing as alcohol, which is not the same thing as shrooms (which are almost 100% positive). No two drugs are the same in terms of addictiveness, health impact, brain damage (esp. to people with still-developing brains), danger to society from the user, etc.

Just like a gun and a bazooka and a 2000lb bomb aren't the same thing. I really have no idea why this concept is so tough for most of you.

As far as addicts you're like the republicans in the voter ID thread who can't understand why getting an ID is such a big deal. With your cushy suburban upbringing in an era of highly illegal hard drugs that made them pretty tough for you to even be near - you never got hooked on them. So what's the big deal?

I believe it is legal to grow them, but not to harvest the opium. As soon as you slice it, you've commited a "crime".

hey guys take this to the drug legalization thread plz

fwiw, if crack or meth were legal, I wouldn't touch them.

CUT YOUR HAIR HIPPIE

the only part i disagree with here is the fact that alcohol is more akin to the bazooka while other drugs are more akin to the gun.

you probably have done heroin though effectively if you have ever been prescribed serious pain meds.

I don't like pain meds/downers. Not my thing. I like the stimulating stuff. I've actually snorted heroin once and shot up morphine. I just have no experience beyond that or experience with addicts or anything.

The thing with alcohol is that it has a lot of positive utility to go with all the downsides. Some people get hooked but many others enjoy it responsibly and use it to lubricate social situations. Crack smokers just huddle around the pipe and no one says a word other than tips on how to smoke it right. I guess meth has some social utility in that meth heads babble all night long. But it turns ugly on you so quick if you do it on any kind of regular basis. Coke can take a lot longer but turns on you eventually.

It's not because those things are regulated that you don't generally see pushers selling alcohol and tobacco in front of schools. It's because there isn't much money in it. The legal market has crowded out the black market. In many places it's harder for kids to get beer than it is to get pot.

Also, government is not in the only way to solve problems. If heroin were legal, do you think there will still be street pushers selling it? Not likely, it would be too cheap. It would be sold in stores. Would these stores sell it to kids? How long do you think they would stay in business if they did, and the parents in the neighborhood knew about it. Manufacturers could also require, as a condition of future sales, that the drug not be sold to anyone under a certain age.

They could also introduce heroin products of low purity, which would be more popular recreationally, just as alcohol's most popular form is low purity. Note that during Prohibition, high purity forms of alcoholic beverages became much more popular, and there is a reason for this.

Manufacturers, distributors, and retailers of legal heroin products would also be subject to product liability lawsuits, which means they would have extra reason to be careful how and to whom they sold their product.

well we know now one thing. your opinion is not credible. you do not deserve a job. and i hope your paid security come kidnap you at night and put you in a steel cage because that is what is best for your well being.

I'm pretty sure teens do drugs because they're f***ing awesome. They'll still be smoking pot after legalization.

(not advocating prohibition on drugs, just sayin')

It's been awhile since I have read up on substance abuse issues but I believe there are individual genetic traits that lead one to become more susceptible to becoming addicted to different drugs. Speedy drugs may never hook you, but it is good to never find out.

suzzer

the alternative to legalizing these things is what we have now- overbearing government drawing lines in the sand that leads us down a path where they (because they were voted in!) get to continue compromising and drawing lines in the sand

we've seen how that works

is it not at all possible that our alternative is better?

My kid has been to parties where they're smoking salvia (in addition to the usual weed and alcohol). I'm pretty sure if salvia wasn't legal they never would have heard of it. But because they can get it in head shops, it's huge with high school kids now. Other kids are apparently doing large amounts of some kind of energy boost powder to get a buzz.

I'm not saying salvia is that bad, just using it as an example. I think if crack were legitimized and suburban kids didn't have to drive to scary downtown LA to get it, they'd be a lot more likely to have it around. Yes I realize that sucks for kids who grow up around it, but I don't think the solution is to make sure the suburban kids have the same disadvantages.

There are plenty of countries/drugs where using isn't illegal but selling is, and they don't actively pursue a war on drugs.

crack only emerged out of illegal drugs. make coke illegal, drive its price artificially high, people start cutting it to find alternatives. Street level cutting makes drugs a million times more dangerous and unhelpful to the user.

would you rather your kids bought their liquor from a store or from a gangster who mixed it in his bath tubs and will try push them on guns and who knows what else?

Any link to this study? just interested in reading it.

I googled and came across this one, not about addiction but about death rate, and small sample so its not very meaningful.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...124.x/abstract

So are you for or against regulation of drugs? Your assertion that no one is selling tobacco or alcohol outside schools because there is no black market is completely baseless.

Are you for drinking ages? Drug ages? Someone would sell to kids, someone always does. Kids would drive downtown if they had to. Forgive me if I don't trust manufacturers to police themselves when they can't even keep child-labor soccer balls from showing up in the US. Or drug companies going to the wall to keep Sudafed prescription-free when they know damn well a huge chunk of their sales is coming from smurfers.

I agree some people would choose low purity, but many more would choose the highest purity they could get. No crack head in the world would ask for the weak stuff if they could afford better. It literally would never happen.

Alcohol is not even remotely an accurate comparison. If you haven't done hard drugs imagine the best analogy I can think of is to imagine the best orgasm you've ever had vs. a crappy hand-job where you don't even come. That's another reason alcohol is more benign than hard drugs - a liquor drunk is pretty similar to a beer drunk. A pure glass high is nothing like a crank high.

I definitely have an addictive personality. I've done meth a couple times but it didn't hook me. Didn't really do it for me.

Opiates on the other hand are luvie duvie imo. Have been taking them pretty much daily for a couple months imo.

If bad decision making was banned, government would be fairly small ;P

Just for the record I'm against this. As soon as you can walk into the doors of a shop and order some coke and grab it with your little hands you should be allowed to buy it. I don't think there's more of an alcohol problem over here than in other countries that have a higher age limit FWIW (16 for beer+wine here)

I'm finding harder and harder to make it through Suzzer's fallacy-loaded posts.

so basically suzzer

you think drugs are really bad, you think your morals/opinions are better than everyone elses, you don't trust x= everyone has to follow what you say

just seems like that kind of thinking and the precedent it sets can take us down a very scary path, what if we don't trust you to stop at just drugs? where do you draw the line?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...tc/script.html

They showed some charts and stuff in the show. Here's some more stuff that corroborates but doesn't list the actual studies.

http://www.methhelponline.com/meth-statistics.htm

I mean legalization is going to make the stuff more pure and less expensive. Which by all common sense should drive more people to use.