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09-17-2011 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
She gave me the stare-down when I told her I donated money to RP, but I don't think either of us really cares for GJ, and I think a GJ running mate would be a horrible idea for RP.
Stare her down back and let her know that her candidate wants to spend more money leveling the Middle East with bombs and imprisoning the American population than any welfare bull**** FFS.
09-17-2011 , 07:34 PM
Looks like may be the GOP as a whole
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...aBrH_blog.html
09-17-2011 , 07:35 PM
And liking Ron Paul but not Gary Johnson just shows a clear lack of understanding of libertarianism, and makes me question your reasoning in the first place.
09-17-2011 , 07:38 PM
he's polling much better though so I don't think it's too much to worry about


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Ron Paul Polling 10x Stronger in August 2011 vs August 2007

Although he has been (famously) ignored by much of the media during the 2012 election cycle (vis-à-vis his relative standing in the GOP field), Texas congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul is polling at approximately 10 percent in the race for the GOP nomination. That represents a monumental uptick from his standing in the Republican field four years prior in mid-August 2007. At that time, Paul was averaging only about 1 percent among likely voters in a similarly crowded field, with Rasmussen and CNN surveying Paul at 0 percent, Quinnipiac at 2 percent, and Gallup at 3 percent. In polls with end dates over the last two weeks this cycle, Paul has come in at 6 percent according to a FOX News poll, 9 percent at Rasmussen, 12 percent at CNN, and 14 percent at USA Today/Gallup. It remains to be seen whether Representative Paul will see an accompanying boost in campaign fundraising in 2012 compared to the 2008 cycle, during which he raised an impressive $34.5 million.
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpo...x_stronger.php
09-17-2011 , 07:40 PM
i just got a phone survey call for the first time this election cycle, got to answer with "Ron Paul" "yes limited government is important" "no i'm not religious" "yes i'm a registered voter"

hrmm can't remember the 5th question.
09-17-2011 , 07:41 PM
Oh!


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Maybe RP will act the same way if he gets into office, there's no way of knowing.
I do not think he would act the same as Obama or neocons. His 30+ year voting record in congress is all in line with his ideals.
09-17-2011 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
does anyone know how the money bomb thing got $6 mil that one day? it seems like the campaign isn't coming close to that at all this time around, what was the reason for that huge success?
Nov 5, 2007: $4.2 million
Dec 16, 2007: $6.0–$6.6 million

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneybomb

The reason they were bigger is because we're only in September. More people pay attention, and therefore more donations, as you get closer to the primaries. RP should get similar moneybombs this election, just wait till Nov and Dec =)
09-17-2011 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
And liking Ron Paul but not Gary Johnson just shows a clear lack of understanding of libertarianism, and makes me question your reasoning in the first place.

I'm speaking in general terms when I say that all the support Ron Paul can get is good, no matter what the reason.
09-17-2011 , 07:44 PM
I'm going to participate in EVERY ****ING MONEY BOMB from here on out. I've participated in 3 straight! I don't care if I have to suck dick for fiat.
09-17-2011 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
but instead seeing the stream of stories on slashdot about the terrible, terrible ideas and practices that are continued or expanded upon from the Bush administration.
Very good point. I didn't vote for Obama but can understand those who did who were anti-Bush. I hope more people start to realize how Obama is continuing in Bush's footsteps.
09-17-2011 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
I don't care if I have to suck dick for fiat.
Just make sure you adjust for inflation. BJs have to be worth at least $100 bucks now.
09-17-2011 , 07:56 PM
I can't decide if I'd rather have Paul/Schiff or Paul/Johnson. Paul/Paul is also intriguing.
09-17-2011 , 07:59 PM
ooooh Peter Schiff, didn't think of that.


Paul Paul would indeed be sick, but I'd kinda like to see Rand stay in the Senate.
09-17-2011 , 07:59 PM
where does schiff lie in terms of foreign policy? i only ever hear him talk about the economy
09-17-2011 , 08:02 PM
samesies
09-17-2011 , 08:05 PM
paul is so old that its important he pick a libertarian and not someone for political reasons....if you know what i mean.
09-17-2011 , 08:05 PM
I was really hoping Gary Johnson would take off more. I had a fantasy about seeing two libertarians ganging up on the necons in the GOP debates.
09-17-2011 , 08:06 PM
I do, and I agree, but I think he's pretty healthy. Doesn't he bike like several miles daily or semi-daily?

This is not something I am comfortable posting or even reading or thinking about, but I'd be more worried about insiders assassinating him.
09-17-2011 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
where does schiff lie in terms of foreign policy? i only ever hear him talk about the economy
Here's a conn debate he was in if you have some time to kill. I saw it a few months back and don't remember his specifics on foreign policy. I don't think if the Iran nuclear weapon came up in this debate. I think he's similar to Rand Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_M6kSZrYCs

The VP discussion is kind of boring and not really useful at this early stage.
09-17-2011 , 08:21 PM
Ferimon5 for VP!


Getting more exciting?


09-17-2011 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Stare her down back and let her know that her candidate wants to spend more money leveling the Middle East with bombs and imprisoning the American population than any welfare bull**** FFS.
I don't think you necessarily know what candidate, if any, she supports. Unless your inference was that all possible candidates support bombing the middle east.

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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
And liking Ron Paul but not Gary Johnson just shows a clear lack of understanding of libertarianism, and makes me question your reasoning in the first place.
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
paul is so old that its important he pick a libertarian and not someone for political reasons....if you know what i mean.
I'm not so certain RP has such an easy chance winning the general if he runs a pure super-economically-conservative ticket. I know history shows that choice of VP can matter from a small amount to not at all, but I'd hate lack of overall support to sink his ship, and that's what I see GJ on his ticket doing - narrowing his support instead of widening it. That's why I'm against a Paul/Johnson ticket, not because I dislike GJ.

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Originally Posted by General Tsao
i just got a phone survey call for the first time this election cycle, got to answer with "Ron Paul" "yes limited government is important" "no i'm not religious" "yes i'm a registered voter"

hrmm can't remember the 5th question.
Great, gj, really, nicely done. Way to align RP with the most hated group of people in America: the non-religious. We're hated even more than Arabs/muslims!!

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Originally Posted by LirvA
Oh!

I do not think he would act the same as Obama or neocons. His 30+ year voting record in congress is all in line with his ideals.
As solid as his voting record may be, I think getting into the oval office can really change a person. I would be slightly more persuaded if his record was for voting in the Senate, where his vote actually matters a bit more, but still not very much.

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, but alas, I doubt I'll get that chance this election cycle. *sadboots*

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Originally Posted by LirvA
I do, and I agree, but I think he's pretty healthy. Doesn't he bike like several miles daily or semi-daily?

This is not something I am comfortable posting or even reading or thinking about, but I'd be more worried about insiders assassinating him.
Us Obama supporters had similar worries back in '08.
09-17-2011 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
I don't think you necessarily know what candidate, if any, she supports. Unless your inference was that all possible candidates support bombing the middle east.
Thing is, the beauty of modern politics is that I can make this assumption and be correct. With every. ****ing. Candidate. That isn't libertarian (or green party or w/e, then touche I guess)

And I'd be rather surprised if your girlfriend is all for welfare and whatnot and isn't voting Democrat.

If I'm wrong here, why not enlighten me? Who's the candidate? And why haven't I heard of him?

And Ron Paul not having a like-minded VP would just be... beyond ******ation. He wouldn't do that. And it would be a terrible decision all-around.
09-17-2011 , 09:00 PM
Right, meant "all other possible candidates" obviously
09-17-2011 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
I know history shows that choice of VP can matter from a small amount to not at all, but I'd hate lack of overall support to sink his ship, and that's what I see GJ on his ticket doing - narrowing his support instead of widening it. That's why I'm against a Paul/Johnson ticket, not because I dislike GJ.
I don't agree at all. A libertarian already bridges the gap between repubs and democrats. This whole business of picking a VP to widen support doesn't make much as much sense for Paul. If he picks someone like Demint or his son, he would broaden support with Repubs, but that would be worthless b/c he would have already won the GOP nomination. He could pick someone like Kucinich to broaden his support to Dems, but he is too idealogically different.

Only thing that makes sense is to widen his support geographically by picking a VP from the northeast or midwest. Or to pick a woman, or someone non-white.

I just think a libertarian pick like Napolitano or Johnson is the safest play. Also have to consider his age, and that he would the VP to be someone who could run for prez after RP's term(s).

Low Key, I'm intestered to hear your VP picks that would widen RP's support.
09-17-2011 , 09:35 PM
I haven't given it much though, as, again, I don't think he'll ever get that far.

      
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