Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread - Page 32 - Politics and Economics

Ron Paul approach to budget cuts: funding programs is like giving allowance to kids. 5 Programs should be cut equally cuz if you are cutting kids' allowance that's what you would do. Because all programs are equally valuable and can weather cuts the same.

I think you missed his point - he is saying that special interest lobbies will prevent any individual program from being fully or significantly cut, so given that prioritization if not achievable then across the board equal cuts may be the only way to actually cut anything. He has talked repeatedly in recent weeks about wanting to prioritize cuts.

05-28-2011 , 09:33 AM

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Paul v. Obama debates would be worth it just by themselves

05-28-2011 , 10:37 AM

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this. and he's been pretty damn clear about freeing up hundreds of billions of dollars in war-mongering/state-building before doing anything at all to any other programs

05-28-2011 , 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hotdogfallacy

Paul v. Obama debates would be worth it just by themselves

Paul vs Obama debates + mainstream media = your country is saved

05-29-2011 , 04:11 AM

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Not Ron Paul, but I figured you guys would be most interested:

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Adam Kokesh body slammed, choked, police brutality at Jefferson Memorial

On May 28, 2011 Television host Adam Kokesh and several other activists participating in a flash-mob were arrested at the publicly-funded Thomas Jefferson Memorial. Their crime? Silently dancing, in celebration of the first amendment’s champion; a clear violation of their right to free-expression. In an excessive use of force, video was captured of Adam being body slammed and placed in a choke for his non-crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jUU3...layer_embedded

05-29-2011 , 04:15 AM

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that video is super rage inducing, but i doubt the dancers will get any lenience from the courts.
http://volokh.com/2011/05/17/no-cons...on-memorial-2/
bastards

05-29-2011 , 04:28 AM

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What are they getting arrested for ? I don't get it

05-29-2011 , 09:31 AM

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Failure to respect mah authorotai.

05-29-2011 , 10:13 AM

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that is so sad

05-29-2011 , 10:46 AM

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What are they getting arrested for ? I don't get it

I ****ing love Kokesh et al. The **** tyrant pigs arrest that couple for dancing, so what do they do? Start dancing.

Reminds me of this story of Michael Badnirik driving while carrying without a permit or anything. He got pulled over and told the cop he was packing heat, and the cop asked for his gun and he refused, saying the only way he'd give up his gun is if he was dead. Cop let him go :P

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05-29-2011 , 09:14 PM

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"if the first amendment doesn't work, the second one will" -Michael Badnarik

05-30-2011 , 02:58 AM

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Thank you for making me aware of the intractability of programs at the federal level.

Talking about wanting to prioritize is easy when you know, much less admit, it won't happen.

His analogy being ******ed stands.

05-30-2011 , 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk

this. and he's been pretty damn clear about freeing up hundreds of billions of dollars in war-mongering/state-building before doing anything at all to any other programs

Lots of presidents have said that (see, e.g., Obama). Once some two-bit congressman or senator actually assumes command responsibility their idealism properly succumbs to reality.

05-30-2011 , 03:03 AM

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His analogy is perfect. You'll make no headway reasoning with selfish, irrational children. It's better to just apply an egalitarian solution even if it's not optimal.

Really, we should just take away all their allowance and send them to bed without supper. Or maybe just drown them at birth.

05-30-2011 , 03:13 AM

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Those damn selfish poor sick people on medicaid. We didn't drown them at birth, but we can still utilize a 2nd Amendment solution.

At least Obamacare had death panels to get rid of those leeches on social security and medicare.

05-30-2011 , 03:24 AM

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Analogy comprehension fail. Children=Special Interest Groups/Programs.

If we stopped robbing poor people with inflation and inflating the price of medical care with ******ed regulation, then poor people would be able to pay for medical care. Our life expectancy in the US is only 3.4 years longer than Mexico and they're fatter than us. Mexico's per capita medical spending is $675 compared to over $7000 for the U.S.

Our medical system is a complete failure and it is time to completely nuke it.

05-30-2011 , 03:33 AM

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LOL zomg inflation. If people complain about it happening than it must be true. Or...

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/I..._currentPage=0

The quality of medical care is not THE SOLE cause of life expectancy. DUCY? (probably not, hint: availability of care-- this also affects costs dramatically since people w/o insurance use costly ER rooms as opposed to doctor visits, preventative care, etcccc.)

Analogies can be both logical and stupid.

Reality fail.

05-30-2011 , 04:02 AM

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Just listened to the first 35 mins of this and was pretty fascinated. Not being an American, quick cliffs on how it's possible for someone like RP to be a Republican at all? Just seems sooooo far away from either the GOP or the Dems (mostly in a good way).

We have a 2-party system mainly because of winner-take-all districts and electoral laws protecting incumbents. Anyone else is a "third party" aka almost no chance to win (in US history there have only been a couple shifts where one of the two parties was replaced by a different party). So someone like Ron Paul has to pick one or the other major party to be a contender.

Or did you mean why do the Republicans let him be one of them? They couldn't really stop him from running as a R for congressman from Texas. They tried to marginalize him in 2008. After reading "10 reasons he can win" he might be their best bet in 2012.

05-30-2011 , 11:34 AM

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Apparently it's not tough to bark at strawmen on 2p2 either.

When someone doesn't understand what you're saying, do you generally find that being insulting is more effective than clarifying?

05-30-2011 , 11:37 AM

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Uhm, no. Learn 4th grade English.

05-30-2011 , 01:52 PM

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LOL zomg inflation. If people complain about it happening than it must be true. Or...

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/I..._currentPage=0

There are lots of signals that price inflation is a very serious risk right now. Commodities are generally up a lot in $US, and the money supply of course is through the roof since 2008.