Yakmelk with the Neville Chamberlain method for dealing with Nazis ITT.

My guess is its actually the charlie lindbergh method

It’s cool, the rules of this forum apparently don’t apply to mods, just ask Augie.

I'm sure more could be said but I think this is essentially correct.

Wait, why would anyone condemn Antifa? Ya, some of them are anarchists and stupid, but they're too poorly organized to gain any real foothold in discussion. Making right wing terrorists fear organizing is far more positive than any of the bad stuff they do.
I really wish they would abandon the whole anti-capitalism thing and just stick to harming the baddies.

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Coast guard lieutenant and white nationalist is arrested after planning a terrorist attack to "establish a white homeland"

It's pretty neat seeing how prosecutors can easily piece together not just what you searched but how long you stayed on a page and things like that:

Prosecutors don't have to do that much - they just subpoena Google and they pull all that info from their database - as they do for Facebook, Twitter, your ISP, phone company and anyone else who keeps a record of everything you do.

You can’t get that kind of information via subpoena, you need some sort of court order/search warrant for that level of privacy intrusion. Subpoena can get you basic demographic account information only, as in, this is the name of the person registered to this account, etc.

oh right - thanks. I remember now that the Googles of this world do put up a bit of a fight related to handing over data. The fact they collect so much, and what they do with it, is another story.

What level of evidence do you have to have to get a court order/search warrant?

yeah they dont want you to know how much they record.

amazon fought a subpeona/court order for almost two years in Arkansas. prosecutors thought that the alexa/echo might have recorded a murder.

and apple refused to unlock the iphone of the san berandino shooter

a buddy of mine from college just posted that he spoke to the coast guard guy "almost every day".. my buddy's black, that's scary **** to not know a dude hates you that much thats in your immediate orbit.

Generally some variant of probable cause, depending on the exact type of order or search warrant you are seeking. Both probable cause to believe that an offense was committed and that what you are searching will yield evidence of that offense. I was big into the tech evidence when I was a prosecutor. I tried to get as much phone record information as possible for every homicide case I had, it was always so valuable and I had fun with that type of evidence, you could pinpoint nearly exactly where your suspect was and what he was doing in the hours before, during and after a homicide. I even got to meet one of the guys who basically helped design the American CDMA Cell phone grid, as an expert witness. (Geolocation data and cell tower usage/sector hits always required a search warrant or 2703d order, couldn’t be done by subpoena).

So since my phone is a flip type that I only turn on in Vegas so my wife can track me down if she needs me, I'm good for going on a 5 state killing spree? Good to know.

MM MD

Nope, the prosecutors can still get the cell tower data including the cell tower azimuth which is surprisingly useful, especially in a relatively urban area. It’s not going to pinpoint you to a specific house, but it’ll pinpoint your movements to within a few blocks generally. If it’s a rural environment with less towers the margin of error goes up.

Edit: The common misperception about forensic evidence is that it “solves crimes.” That’s almost never true by itself (with the exception of DNA evidence on occasion). Instead what it does is provide corroboration of other evidence the police have gathered.

Even if the phone is off? I didn't know that.

MM MD

No, if the phone is off then it can’t be tracked. I missed the part where you keep it turned off. Also flip phones are substantially harder to track than smart phones. Smart phones are constantly using data and pinging cell phone towers which leaves a record, the apps are doing it in the background. With a flip phone you need to actively be using the phone for that, or the police have to get the handshake data (which phones do automatically every time they enter a new cell tower zone), but those records are usually kept by the phone companies for a very very short amount of time.

Edit: I am providing this for educational purposes only please don’t go on a multi-state killing spree...

Meh. Too much work. And the tounament is coming up in a few weeks.

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https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/stat...20707318435841

Laura Ingraham, her producers, network managers, and network owners should be in jail.

Perhaps we should rename this Right Wing Terrorism in the Western World and use this to discuss the right-wing terrorism in New Zealand. I think that discussion belongs here more than in the gun threads, given the context so far.

Also I think we're at the point where decent people in the Western world need to be really concerned and frankly terrified that this is becoming a normal event.

I could not agree more with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. This should be the sentiment of any leader dealing with domestic terror toward immigrants or minorities.

"Many of those who will have been directly affected by this shooting may be migrants to New Zealand. They may even be refugees here. They have chosen to make New Zealand their home, and it is their home. They are us. The person who has perpetuated this violence against us is not."

Apparently some right wing senator in Australia is blaming the attack on the Muslims and the left... I suspect we'll see this line of reasoning imported into American politics in the future.



https://twitter.com/JamesAALongman/s...54353425154048

How the **** is that anyone's takeaway from this tradgedy? I literally feel like we're in the Twilight Zone at this point. That letter is just a full blown crock of ****.

"All they that take the sword shall perish by the sword" shows that Islam is a religion based in a singularly violent ideology" Must truly be the hottest take possible.