You said Rand Paul was for prison reform. I don't believe you. OK I just saw his quote on non-violent crimes. It doesn't correlate with his views on private prisons who want those people in prison for more profit.

I'm literally THE person who introduced those stats into the thread. I introduced the stats to show how small the number is. And yeah. 50 people may as well be zero. That is nothing. That isn't hyperbolic. 50 people out of 325 million.

I apologize for giving you a previous serious response.

It's a giant goalpost shift. You saw a thread about right-wing terrorism and wanted to own the libs, but with virtually no comparable left wing terrorism to pull your both-sides bull**** (you did get Scalise getting shot!) you turned to...sexual assaults in OWS? People in MAGA hats getting pepper sprayed? It's pathetic and transparent.

Paul voted to confirm guys like sessions and pompeo. Not a civil libertarian

Getting stabbed is no big deal if you barely survive? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6XclpdT-K8

And pulling switchblade on a Congressional candidate is nothing really. How silly of me to bring up a minor incident. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...castro-valley/

No sir, and I say this giving you every bit of due respect, I will not. You cited an anecdote of one incident. I suggested that we avoid doing that. But I'm glad to see that you do want to rely on statistics instead of anecdotes, and I think that will be very helpful to our discussion - I'm excited about that.

Saying people are more likely to commit crimes because they're Democrats is also probably ridiculous. Is that your contention?

What would you like me to cite my source on? My hypothetical that started with "Maybe?" That was a hypothetical. You keep hinting around a claim that Democrats are more likely to commit crimes than Republicans, but you've offered no evidence of this.

The Democratic Party has moved forward quite a bit from that bill Clinton signed in the 90's. What was your point about this in relation to terrorism in the United States? It seems like you're getting way off track here glenrice1.

You: "I am actually the one who introduced stats into this thread, not anecdotes."

Now you're presenting me with anecdotes?

I read three articles about that crime. Your claim was:

The victim was not wearing a Trump hat. There was no assertion in any of the articles that he was chosen for being a Trump supporter, or even that he was a Trump supporter. The closest it came to that was that they yelled something about Trump at some point in the crime, but they were charged and convicted for it being a hate crime against a special-needs person. This does not back up your claim.

This is an attack on a politician, so this would fall under something other than your claim - that people are going around attacking randoms in Trump hats. That doesn't condone it, but this is more like the attack on Gabby Giffords than domestic terror against people in Trump hats.

This list doesn't even link to sources, but one is people yelling at Mitch McConnell, not exactly an attack. Another is a guy claiming to have been attacked, with no evidence or eyewitness statements.

I'm not condoning it, but he threw a drink in his face, c'mon. Domestic terror?

This is the first one I would say rises to the level of what you claimed.

This looks like a clash between two groups of protesters, again something else all together.

Again you're relying entirely on anecdotal evidence here. We could go back and forth all day with anecdotal evidence of pro-MAGA and anti-MAGA incidents. Do you have any stats or figures? Any real citations for this from any credible sources?

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I didn't "both sides" anything. I said there was more right wing violence in my first post. I did, however, point out the absurdity in your original post. The number of deaths is very small. Very, very small.

rofl, this guy is great

Glenrice1,

I'm sure it was just an oversight, but you missed a bunch of citations you're going to need to give us on your claims. I'll remind you of them so that it's very clear what you're going to need to cite:

1. I need you to retract your claim that Islamic terror is still the biggest killer by far, or at least clarify that when you say "still" you mean historically, not in recent years. I presented you with a link to facts that refute your claim.

2. I need you to cite examples of your claim that leftist policies breed violence. Remember, we're talking about in the United States.

3. I need a citation that "virtually every example of doxxing is from the left."

4. I need a citation that "The KKK were leftists." And don't give me "they were Democrats," because Dixiecrats were not leftists. Further, the KKK/white supremacists/white nationalists have overwhelmingly supported Trump and the GOP over Democrats in modern times.

Remember, we're looking for statistics or reputable sources here, not your anecdotes. Thanks! This should be an interesting and informative discussion once you provide some statistics/facts.

Also don't forget that if you cannot cite something, it is always okay to retract your claim and admit that you were wrong. We're all wrong sometimes, there's absolutely no shame in that and we can continue to have productive and educational dialogue.

Thanks!

As opposed to the zillions of people you claim are being attacked for wearing Trump hats?

You asked. I gave. The original post in this thread is all anecdotes.



There is literally a thread about 5 down from this about what a swell guy Hugo Chavez was.

Bernie Sanders won 23 states in the Dem primary. Bernie Sanders supported the Sandinistas. Bernie Sanders said the American dream was more likely to be realized in Venezuela and Argentina. https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsr...reaten-america

I would say there is not just a connection but a very close connection. Communist sympathizers are tolerated and mainstream on the left. There are no Nazi sympathizers tolerated on the mainstream right.

timothy mcveigh

the current republican president of the united states said there were very fine people in the group of nazis that rammed a car into a crowd of people.

I don't see what is funny. I knew I was venturing into a bunch of close minded bigots. I do this every four or five years to see just how insane the leftist echo chamber is. I will be back in 2023.

Yeah. He didn't say that.

see ya

One day ban for trolling. I gave you a LOT of leeway and Cuserounder tried to engage with you very politely, but you gave away the farm with this post, and you also attacked other forum members instead of attacking the argument.

We are in a brave new world, ladies and gentleman. The lifespan of a fact-free trolling rampage is down to two hours and four minutes.

praise be

"I've got a bad feeling about this."

For those reading along at home, it's important to note that glenrice1 basically could not substantiate any of his claims. I'll respond to this just for those lurking.

I asked for citations of your claim, you didn't give them.

I haven't even read that thread. I did date a girl from Venezuela briefly, and we had some interesting conversations about Chavez - the good, the bad, the ugly. But that has literally nothing to do with anything you claimed ITT.

He also claimed those remarks were taken out of context.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...inistas-220550

Regardless, to claim there is any sort of widespread support of communism in the Democratic party is absurd. To say that Bernie would support communism if he won is also absurd.

Bernie never said that as far as I know. The link you provided goes to an article from the Valley News Editorial Board that he re-posted. It's hard to say which parts, if any, he is endorsing... It's also from 2011, and a lot was mismanaged in Venezuela in the interim.

This claim is patently absurd. Whether he means by the party or in this forum, it couldn't be farther from the truth. Here, we basically ran einbert off and he was eventually banned for posting that started with his support of communism and ended with denial of the Holodomor.

Assuming Fox News and/or the President of the United States count as the mainstream right, this is hysterical. "Fine people on both sides," after a right-wing rally featuring literal neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

Now we can get back to the purpose of the thread, but I'm never one to let bull**** sit around without a response on these forums.

"I'm not both-sidesing anything, but while you guys are having this discussion, allow me to posit that actually leftists are and have always been the real authoritarian terrorists and also did the KKK"

See you in 2023! Looking forward to it already.