Rick Perry Indicted on Abuse of Power, Coercion, and I Forget the 3rd Charge - Page 8 - Politics and Economics

I'll acknowledge she oversees the Public Integrity unit if you will acknowledge that she already faced legal proceedings over her DUI conviction which did not find cause for removing her from office, and that she isn't the person responsible for bringing the current suit against Perry.

Just because you've faced legal proceedings over your conviction doesn't mean that your punishment is over. People lose their jobs because of drug convictions all the time, and that prevents them from getting jobs in the future.

08-18-2014 , 01:56 PM

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Paula Burka doesn't see much to the case

http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-bl...itical-motives

08-18-2014 , 02:15 PM

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Speaking of public integrity, Perry didn't have to crush an investigation into executing an innocent man or make sure his cronies were receiving kick backs from public grants either.

Yeah dudes an indefensible douchebag, but I absolutely think this is a valid use of the line item veto and prosecuting him over this is setting a really bad precedent.

08-18-2014 , 04:46 PM

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Not shedding a tear for Rick Perry, but Im sort of scratching my head at where the crime is here.

08-18-2014 , 05:29 PM

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Not shedding a tear for Rick Perry, but Im sort of scratching my head at where the crime is here.

Well put. The funny thing is, he might come out of this better than if there had been no indictment. Politicians like to play the "dirty politics" victim card.

08-18-2014 , 05:29 PM

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Hadn't clicked on politics in a while, thread title is amazing.

08-18-2014 , 06:23 PM

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I like this new found interest ikestoys has for public integrity

lol ikes just can't help himself

08-18-2014 , 06:49 PM

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The legal proceedings were specifically to determine if she should lose her job due to her DUI conviction. The judgement was 'no'.

There's quite a few poster itt who do not know (and apparently do not care) that Lehmberg has already faced trial not only for the DUI, but ALSO in a suit that sought to remove her from office because of that DUI.

I know that's super confusing because it's like 2 different things for you keep track of, but your takeaway here should be that there is a legal process for having her fired over ethical breaches which she already went through and was judged fit for office.

08-18-2014 , 06:53 PM

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In that case we also need to fire all the people who voted 'no'.

08-18-2014 , 07:09 PM

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I don't think the removal lawsuit had anything to do with the ethical breaches though. The grounds for removal under Texas law are pretty limited and I think the only one that the plaintiff argued applied to Lehmberg were related to drunkenness. Basically, Texas law provides that being habitually drunk is grounds for removal. However, in practice such lawsuits are never successful. The fact that the judge did not find her to be too much of an alcoholic to hold office does not mean that she should not have resigned.

08-18-2014 , 07:51 PM

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zikzak's performance itt is cringe inducing. He doesn't actually defend the decision to keep someone in charge of public corruption investigations who, on tape, tried to use their official position to avoid arrest. He simply appeals to the authority of the people who made the decision. As one of my favorite blogs likes to say, people are just in charge of things, they aren't necessarily the right people.

Good grief man.

08-18-2014 , 08:56 PM

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The Democrats in this thread remind me a lot of the conservatives who want to sue or impeach "imperial" Obama for taking executive actions they don't like.

Line item veto of budget items is specifically put at his discretion in their state Constitution.

And making it criminal for a politician to talk about what he might do with his authority in certain situations just seems objectively dumb. It is like suing Obama for threatening executive action on the immigration crisis to try to force the House's hand. I mean that's so coercive of him!

08-18-2014 , 09:08 PM

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08-18-2014 , 09:30 PM

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You're right ikes, I'm not defending it. Especially since that isn't what this thread is about.

But it's cool of you to stick up for poor Ricky by attacking the person who isn't even responsible for the suit against him while advocating executive fiat blackmail by the governor because he didn't like the results of the judicial process. That's exactly what I would expect from a moderate, er libertarian... nah, that doesn't fit either. How exactly should I characterize your stance itt? Surely it shouldn't be knee-jerk establishment republican apologist. Lord knows how dreadfully unfair it would be to call you that.

08-18-2014 , 09:31 PM

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who, on tape, tried to use their official position to avoid arrest.

I don't think this part of it is that big of a deal. Drunk people have diminished capacity and bad judgement by definition. Self-important people shouting "Do you know who I am?" while being arrested is a time-honored tradition. Arresting officers should just lol and move on.

On the other hand, it is concerning when this tactic manages to work.

08-18-2014 , 09:32 PM

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I'd hit that.

08-18-2014 , 09:40 PM

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Who are the Democrats in this thread?

08-18-2014 , 09:55 PM

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Ok I don't know anyone's actual party affiliation, but anyone who was complaining that Perry really just wanted to remove a Democrat from the public integrity office and put in a Republican is arguing the Democrat side.

08-18-2014 , 09:59 PM

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Who are the Democrats in this thread?

I am.

08-18-2014 , 10:00 PM

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Bah, I'm a democrat, and that's not the democrat side, that's the stupid side. Even a majority of democrats think this indictment is lolbad stupid. loltexas.

08-18-2014 , 10:01 PM

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Actually I'll expand that to anyone who used the term bully or bullying in reference to Perry using his executive authority or warning he would use it in certain circumstances.

08-18-2014 , 10:03 PM

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Viewing this (or anything) as a binary choice where somebody must pick one of two partisan teams is a huge part of what's wrong with US politics. There are about as few people ITF who willingly identify as Democrats as those who willingly identify as Republicans.

Libertarians, tho. Hoo boy do they ever love to parade their ideology about.

08-18-2014 , 10:03 PM

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Well I'm not a regular in this forum, sorry if I mislabeled you jman. Despite there being a lot of stupid Republicans on the Internet, I don't think I've noticed any Republicans on the stupid side of this debate, so I characterized that side as the Democratic side.