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09-26-2010 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Crudefinder
I didn't google it you moron. A guy that works for me part time showed up with one and he told me he gets 200 free minutes a month and he didn't even know his own number. He is on disability and Medicaid.
Yeah, that's the chain email line. I told you I googled it. He, if he exists, gets between $7-$10 a month paid for. What's offensive about this, again?

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Roflmao,how stupid! Who do you think pays those fee's? WE DO!
Well, yes, the fee is passed along to the end consumer by the telecoms. But it's not part of the federal budget. So ending the program doesn't have anything to do with taxes or government spending.


Jesus, Steve Doocy in that Fox and Friends clip(linked through Heritage) is amazing. Those lucky poor people getting discounted cell phone service. Show should get renamed White Resentment Hour.
09-26-2010 , 07:52 PM
Why are poor people always black with you?
09-26-2010 , 07:56 PM
Attacking poor people is how conservatives race bait without using the n-word. Welfare queens, etc.
09-26-2010 , 08:05 PM
It's not racist for you to assume that the poor person he's talking about is black?

Last edited by SenorKeeed; 09-26-2010 at 08:07 PM. Reason: ****ing racism, how does it work????
09-26-2010 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Attacking poor people is how conservatives race bait without using the n-word. Welfare queens, etc.
You bring this up a lot. Just because someone on the forums uses an argument that a racist might also use, doesn't mean that the argument itself is racist.

Thomas Sowell is a black economist who uses many similar arguments and I doubt that he is a racist.
09-26-2010 , 08:11 PM
I do agree that the hidden psychic motives of many fiscal conservatives are based around hatred of blacks, like Bill O' Reily/Limbaugh types, but I really don't think that's the motive for the Stossel types, as I think he genuinely fears goverment oppression. In the end both these fears are based upon sexual inadequacy anyway, so no one will ever acheive catharsis by talking through the issues.
09-26-2010 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mjkidd
It's not racist for you to assume that the poor person he's talking about is black?
Not even a little bit. I mean, really?
09-26-2010 , 08:19 PM
Liz Lemon: "Whose horse is that?"

Dennis: "That's my cousin Teddy's Great Dane. I told him I'd watch him for a couple weeks. 'cause Teddy broke his ankle running from some black guys that pulled a gun on him."

Liz Lemon: "Now, why is it important to tell me that the muggers were black?"

Dennis: "They weren't muggers. They were cops."

Liz Lemon: "So why don't you just say he was running from some cops?"

Dennis: "I don't know, I mean... you're a racist for assuming that they weren't cops."

Liz Lemon: "Ugh!"
09-26-2010 , 08:23 PM
Wait, which one of us do you think that's making fun of?
09-26-2010 , 08:24 PM
Dennis Duffy?
09-26-2010 , 09:10 PM
The dude that has the free phone is as white as rice. You're all racists for assuming he's black.

And Fly, if you insist on calling me a liar, put up some money (if you have any) and we'll escrow with someone reputable. But since we all know your just a ****, you'll never respond to this bet. First you say that there is no such program, and when I show you that there is you start nit picking rates, which as I stated may very well vary from state to state.

Last edited by CRUDEFINDER; 09-26-2010 at 09:29 PM.
09-26-2010 , 09:43 PM
I'll bet that it is not government funded or paid for by taxes paid in to the government. How much?
09-26-2010 , 09:45 PM
I love that you're such an unstoppable caricature the best insult you can possibly come up with is accusing me of being poor. Again, I couldn't write this stuff if I tried.

I don't even know what we're betting on. I already demonstrated that cutting the phone assistance program that actually exists would save the government $0.
09-26-2010 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
I'll bet that it is not government funded or paid for by taxes paid in to the government. How much?
Name it, but I really don't want your money. I want the know-it-all to make the bet.

This is where the guy got his phone-

A Worry-Free Way To Stay Connected

Assurance Wireless offers a FREE wireless phone and 200 FREE minutes of wireless service to eligible customers each month. There are no bills, long-term contracts, activation fees, recurring fees or surcharges. You may qualify for Assurance Wireless if:


Assurance Wireless service is available in your area.
You participate in specific government programs in your State.
09-26-2010 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
But you could have those things. That you personally don't choose to spend your income that way isn't the point.


I mean, set aside your potentially questionable ability to accurately predict poor people's conception of your lifestyle, you're still not getting the picture. If you aren't rich by your personal definition, your personal definition is so extreme as to be meaningless.

It's like someone who is 85 claiming they aren't "old" because there are totally people who reach 110, and also just the other day you went for the walk in the park just like anybody else does.
Holy **** fly is knocking this argument out of the park.
09-26-2010 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
What if they don't have a lavish lifestyle?
Then they have way too many kids.
09-26-2010 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
The dude that has the free phone is as white as rice. You're all racists for assuming he's black.

And Fly, if you insist on calling me a liar, put up some money (if you have any) and we'll escrow with someone reputable. But since we all know your just a ****, you'll never respond to this bet. First you say that there is no such program, and when I show you that there is you start nit picking rates, which as I stated may very well vary from state to state.
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Originally Posted by prana
I'll bet that it is not government funded or paid for by taxes paid in to the government. How much?
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I love that you're such an unstoppable caricature the best insult you can possibly come up with is accusing me of being poor. Again, I couldn't write this stuff if I tried.

I don't even know what we're betting on. I already demonstrated that cutting the phone assistance program that actually exists would save the government $0.
http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/monitor.html

here's where the $$$$$$$ comes from. return to your corners, pull your stats and when the bell rings commence with the "windmills of fury"
09-26-2010 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nichlemn
No-one is seriously arguing that taxes create 100% deadweight losses. Taxes cause distortions on the margin. Facebook might not have been on the margin, but a number of other businesses may have been.
This **** is getting ridiculous. So we should cut the tax rates for those over 250K to spur business growth since that is EXACTLY whats likely to happen in this economy. Why not give em a free lunch?

If you make over 250K a year, and your in the up-start business game I would imagine, 1. you have money. 2. you could get money. 3. the money you have or could acquire is probably a whole lot more than 250K.

How many times must it be said, FFS it's the OP, people making under 250K are NOT AFFECTED. PEOPLE STARTING BUSINESSES CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON MONEY. Stop trying to play on people's sympathy that Jack and Jill can't open their own little restuarant, or small shop. It's a blatant lie.
09-26-2010 , 11:18 PM
**** this other bull**** running rampant in this thread that the BIG inverstors, I-bankers and the rich in general are victoms because they are getting taxed a higher rate. That they aren't motivated when they are taxed more.

Yep only made 5 million this year could have made 3% more. Boo ****ing hoo.
09-26-2010 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/monitor.html

here's where the $$$$$$$ comes from. return to your corners, pull your stats and when the bell rings commence with the "windmills of fury"
Geez I thought we'd get to wager before you pull the sources out

Last edited by prana; 09-26-2010 at 11:30 PM. Reason: though I see a technicality issue with my previous statement. It isn't costing the gov't $$ and isn't paid with income tax.
09-26-2010 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/monitor.html

here's where the $$$$$$$ comes from. return to your corners, pull your stats and when the bell rings commence with the "windmills of fury"

Wow, so it doesn't come from the phone fairy? Who'da thunk it!
09-26-2010 , 11:39 PM
well it kinda does, along the same lines of public access cable shows. but spin away if you wish.
09-26-2010 , 11:41 PM
from that link:

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The federal portion of the program is funded by the federal universal service support mechanisms,
which include contributions from providers of interstate and international telecommunications, including
payphone aggregators and private network operators that offer service to others for a fee on a noncommon-
carrier basis. These carriers and service providers may pass on contribution expenses to their
customers
Also:

Obama Phone

Lol at the name

Cliffs: If you hate the obama phone stop paying your phone bills.
09-26-2010 , 11:45 PM
No, I don't think that those phone taxes were originally earmarked for what they are using them for, so if they didn't use them for that then presumably they would go to the treasury, right?

And the phone that the guy that works for me some is only available in certain states, so it may be funded totally differently since the 200 free minute deal is apparently non-standard.


Edit: I cannot believe that some people in this thread think that we/they are not paying for this. This "fee" that the phone companies contribute to the fund is charged directly to us.

Last edited by CRUDEFINDER; 09-26-2010 at 11:55 PM.
09-26-2010 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
No, I don't think that those phone taxes were originally earmarked for what they are using them for, so if they didn't use them for that then presumably they would go to the treasury, right?

And the phone that the guy that works for me some is only available in certain states, so it may be funded totally differently since the 200 free minute deal is apparently non-standard.


Edit: I cannot believe that some people in this thread think that we/they are not paying for this. This "fee" that the phone companies contribute to the fund is charged directly to us.
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This informal practice was codified when the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC) was created as part of the 1996 Telecommunications Act to "ensure all Americans, including low-income consumers and those who live in rural, insular, high cost areas, shall have affordable service and [to] help to connect eligible schools, libraries, and rural health care providers to the global telecommunications network." The USAC includes four programs to serve rural areas, high cost areas, rural health care providers, and schools and libraries. Since 1997, USAC has provided discounted land line service to low-income individuals. (A more limited program to offer assistance to low-income individuals was created a decade earlier; the telecommunications act expanded and formalized it.) According to Eric Iversen, USAC director of external relations, the Universal Service Fund more recently began funding programs that provide wireless service, such as the pre-paid cellular SafeLink program mentioned in the chain e-mail.
Yea you pay for the fee IF you have phone service, it's not going to cut government spending as you originally stated because as you finally state in your edit, you pay for it if you have phone service.

      
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