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09-25-2010 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 3rdCheckRaise
They didn't earn those jobs on their own? No brain or talent needed to earn those degrees? No risk either , right? Obviously government shouldn't back those loans, considering that 250K earner even before he paid off his loans will continue paying taxes and will pay about 110k in taxes each year!!! Sure it is a horrible investment for the government!!!!
Nice assortment of strawmen.
09-25-2010 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
In before John Stossel video.
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Originally Posted by A_C_Slater
Sick read Fly. I don't really like your overly snarky style, but overall you do a great job in your posting. Cheers!
09-25-2010 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
Nice assortment of strawmen.
No no...just numbers my man. Your kind always hated those.
09-26-2010 , 03:24 AM
just read first few pages of thread for first time and lol @ people too stupid and close minded to understand that rich is entirely subjective/relative and isn't just measured in absolute terms with universal metrics. further lol @ then taking their own definition of rich and trying to ridicule others for disagreeing with it.
09-26-2010 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by boobies4me
just read first few pages of thread for first time and lol @ people too stupid and close minded to understand that rich is entirely subjective/relative and isn't just measured in absolute terms with universal metrics. further lol @ then taking their own definition of rich and trying to ridicule others for disagreeing with it.
lol @ people who are too stubborn to realize that 99% of people who make $250kyr are considered wealthy/rich/whatever by almost all definitions. that these people also have high fixed expenses and consider a lavish lifestyle as a requirement is fine, but it doesnt allow them to play the "i'm not that rich" card
09-26-2010 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by qdmcg
lol @ people who are too stubborn to realize that 99% of people who make $250kyr are considered wealthy/rich/whatever by almost all definitions. that these people also have high fixed expenses and consider a lavish lifestyle as a requirement is fine, but it doesnt allow them to play the "i'm not that rich" card
What if they don't have a lavish lifestyle?
09-26-2010 , 09:39 AM
also to equalize the toddHendersons of the world I really wish some dude pulling 700k/yr who wasn't handed this money from his parents, active in his community, etc. would make a public post about the amount in income taxes he pays each year and a few examples of the absolutely insane things the government spends money on each year as a justification for why he doesn't want to pay more taxes
09-26-2010 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by qdmcg
also to equalize the toddHendersons of the world I really wish some dude pulling 700k/yr who wasn't handed this money from his parents, active in his community, etc. would make a public post about the amount in income taxes he pays each year and a few examples of the absolutely insane things the government spends money on each year as a justification for why he doesn't want to pay more taxes
i don't follow...help for the mentally slow?
09-26-2010 , 12:04 PM
^ Point is, rich people aren't taxed nearly as insanely as people delude themselves into believing. And even if they were, who gives a rat's ass, they're still rich and most of that money is still put to good use for public goods and services.

Pretty easy to follow, right?
09-26-2010 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortyTheFish
^ Point is, rich people aren't taxed nearly as insanely as people delude themselves into believing. And even if they were, who gives a rat's ass, they're still rich and most of that money is still put to good use for public goods and services.

Pretty easy to follow, right?
can't tell if that wink at the end means you're being sarcastic, but wtf to the bolded...that's your justification
09-26-2010 , 01:28 PM
So you think the rich are being taxed too highly, gotcha.
09-26-2010 , 02:49 PM
so you think its fine to take more from people just because they have a lot, gotcha
09-26-2010 , 03:05 PM
Hell yeah I do.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's either you or them (unless of course you are one of them, in which case, get off the computer and go enjoy your money FFS ).

The deficit is up, the economy is down. Taxes going up is inevitable, we can all agree there. The question is for who. It's either gonna be the rich thousands/few million who can put a nice dent on things with their money, or the poorer hundreds of millions already strapped to death in debt and bills as is. We've had like 10 years of this so-called "trickle down economics" nonsense, even though nobody can name a single instance of it ever working. Seriously, it's crazy not to end the Bush-era rich tax cuts.
09-26-2010 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortyTheFish
Hell yeah I do.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's either you or them (unless of course you are one of them, in which case, get off the computer and go enjoy your money FFS ).

The deficit is up, the economy is down. Taxes going up is inevitable, we can all agree there. The question is for who. It's either gonna be the rich thousands/few million who can put a nice dent on things with their money, or the poorer hundreds of millions already strapped to death in debt and bills as is. We've had like 10 years of this so-called "trickle down economics" nonsense, even though nobody can name a single instance of it ever working. Seriously, it's crazy not to end the Bush-era rich tax cuts.
great analysis. A+
09-26-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortyTheFish
Hell yeah I do.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's either you or them (unless of course you are one of them, in which case, get off the computer and go enjoy your money FFS ).

The deficit is up, the economy is down. Taxes going up is inevitable, we can all agree there. The question is for who. It's either gonna be the rich thousands/few million who can put a nice dent on things with their money, or the poorer hundreds of millions already strapped to death in debt and bills as is. We've had like 10 years of this so-called "trickle down economics" nonsense, even though nobody can name a single instance of it ever working. Seriously, it's crazy not to end the Bush-era rich tax cuts.
One of the dumbest posts in the thread. I guess cutting spending never crossed your simple mind?
09-26-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Sick read Fly. I don't really like your overly snarky style, but overall you do a great job in your posting. Cheers!

Could you really say sick read though? After his post its obvious that a John Stossel video would be posted.
09-26-2010 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
One of the dumbest posts in the thread. I guess cutting spending never crossed your simple mind?
Okay, what spending shall we cut?
09-26-2010 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ShortyTheFish
Okay, what spending shall we cut?
Well I'd start with free cell phones for all welfare recipients with 200 free minutes a month, but that's just me.
09-26-2010 , 05:09 PM
Boy, you crazy. Take minutes away from people on welfare, and it'll be anarchy!

Cutting spending would be awesome, but realistically that's not gonna happen. Everyone wants to keep spewing money on their own interests, and whoever loses their share is gonna cry foul. Yes, the government CAN save money from cutting it. The question is will it? No. It won't. Let's face the facts, America sucks at money management. Taxes are a more realistic way to go. But that's just me.
09-26-2010 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CRUDEFINDER
Well I'd start with free cell phones for all welfare recipients with 200 free minutes a month, but that's just me.
The great thing is that even if this program existed(it doesn't), how much money would this sort of program save? Like 4 million people are on welfare. A 200 minute plan would be, say, $20/month. That's ~1 billion dollars a year. 0.02% of the budget.

The weird thing is that I already mentioned that this program doesn't exist in this thread. Perhaps I need to launder my posts through your racist uncle email forwarding service before you'll believe them.
09-26-2010 , 05:16 PM
Conservatives are EXTREMELY GUNGHO about cutting programs that exist solely in the world of chain emails.

Slash the foreign aid for anti-American dictators, welfare phones, and subsidies for the perverted arts budgets and I imagine we could save imaginary trillions. Combine those with the imaginary trillions of revenue you get from cutting taxes and America would have an imaginary balanced budget overnight!
09-26-2010 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The great thing is that even if this program existed(it doesn't), how much money would this sort of program save? Like 4 million people are on welfare. A 200 minute plan would be, say, $20/month. That's ~1 billion dollars a year. 0.02% of the budget.

The weird thing is that I already mentioned that this program doesn't exist in this thread. Perhaps I need to launder my posts through your racist uncle email forwarding service before you'll believe them.
This is a gambling website. Would you care to make a wager that it does exist? And it's not just welfare, it includes people on Medicaid and people getting disability payments.

So place your wager or eat crow sir!


Nah, I'd rather bust you in public. I love to show up know-it-all jerkoffs anyway.
Here's the link. You probably qualify.

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enr...blic/Home.aspx


But you were right about the billion a year cost. A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon we're talking about some real cheddar.

Last edited by CRUDEFINDER; 09-26-2010 at 06:40 PM.
09-26-2010 , 06:50 PM
Um, yeah. How do you think I knew to call you out on it? I googled it, too. The difference is I actually read the links that came up.

Is that program "free cell phones with 200 minutes a month"? Nope.

It's a ~$10/mo credit with some activation fee subsidies, not a free phone with a bizarrely specific number of minutes. It's also funded by fees imposed on the telecommunications companies, not through government spending.

So, yeah, cutting the thing that is closest to the fictional program you're whining about would cut a whopping $0 off the budget.
09-26-2010 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by qdmcg
lol @ people who are too stubborn to realize that 99% of people who make $250kyr are considered wealthy/rich/whatever by almost all definitions. that these people also have high fixed expenses and consider a lavish lifestyle as a requirement is fine, but it doesnt allow them to play the "i'm not that rich" card
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Originally Posted by ShortyTheFish
Hell yeah I do.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: It's either you or them (unless of course you are one of them, in which case, get off the computer and go enjoy your money FFS ).

The deficit is up, the economy is down. Taxes going up is inevitable, we can all agree there. The question is for who. It's either gonna be the rich thousands/few million who can put a nice dent on things with their money, or the poorer hundreds of millions already strapped to death in debt and bills as is. We've had like 10 years of this so-called "trickle down economics" nonsense, even though nobody can name a single instance of it ever working. Seriously, it's crazy not to end the Bush-era rich tax cuts.
Well, at least the comedic value in this thread is worth it.
09-26-2010 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Um, yeah. How do you think I knew to call you out on it? I googled it, too. The difference is I actually read the links that came up.

Is that program "free cell phones with 200 minutes a month"? Nope.

It's a ~$10/mo credit with some activation fee subsidies, not a free phone with a bizarrely specific number of minutes. It's also funded by fees imposed on the telecommunications companies, not through government spending.

So, yeah, cutting the thing that is closest to the fictional program you're whining about would cut a whopping $0 off the budget.

I didn't google it you moron. A guy that works for me part time showed up with one and he told me he gets 200 free minutes a month and he didn't even know his own number. He is on disability and Medicaid.

First you claim it doesn't exist and then when you get shown it does you start crawfishing about things that may very well vary from state to state.

That link showed up first when I googled "free cell phones for welfare recipients" along with this one http://www.heritage.org/multimedia/v...-on-fox-1-7-10

This video is where they say the costs are ~1 billion a year and where the funds come from. So quit being a wiseass and do some research.

How does that crow taste?


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also funded by fees imposed on the telecommunications companies
Roflmao,how stupid! Who do you think pays those fee's? WE DO!

Last edited by CRUDEFINDER; 09-26-2010 at 07:32 PM.

      
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