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Yea he is. He got exactly what he wanted. He knew protesters would show up.

I mean, why else would a RW nutjob go to a liberal college? To have a rational discussion w/ people that clearly see right through his bull****?

He doesn't just go to liberal colleges. There are thousands of students at berkley he was invited there and he can more than fill an auditorium with students. You're saying he should not go because there are people who don't want to hear him? That's like saying a Dem should never campaign in Wyoming and a Rep in Berkley because most people there won't agree with them.

02-02-2017 , 03:50 AM

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Baltimore Jones

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage

I fully understand if you don't agree with him, but if there can't be a free exchange of conflicting ideas at colleges then society is doomed

Looking forward to the following "free exchanges of conflicting ideas" and we SHOULD NOT PROTEST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE IDEAS SHOULD BE HEARD:

"Is Rape Wrong? (Or: She Was Asking For It)"
"Did Emancipation Do More Harm Than Good?"
"Should We Put Muslims in Concentration Camps?"
"Should Black People be Allowed to Vote in 2020?"

Hint: Nazis need to have their faces caved in.

02-02-2017 , 05:33 AM

#1303

kypreanus

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Me disagreeing and arguing here against against the bigoteer narrative gets me banned without a warning and my avatar from years back removed. Talk about tolerant liberals and views, and partisan groupthink.

Did I offend your safe space with my avatar? Since it was not due to my arguments

Posters here are advocating harrassing people, breaking the law and trying to distrupt the everyday lives of not just Americans, but everyone who disagree. These posters get nothing, no.ban, no warning, just encouragement. But disagreeing with them does. They can post dozens one liners but if anyone who disagrees posts even a lil bit they get banned and attacked. Do moderators here have a clear bias?

The truth should be worthy of an argument. Diff views wont kill you but might be hard for you to read if you know your narrrative is based on feelings, not facts. Looking up views from the opposers tests your narrative, but can be painful if you are incoherent.

I hope the owners of the forums are aware of this.

02-02-2017 , 05:39 AM

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5ive

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SeeTheMirage

Serious question, how familiar are you with him?

There are seemingly endless youtube videos of him speaking at liberal colleges and every other possible venue in the past and having long open discussions without incident

I fully understand if you don't agree with him, but if there can't be a free exchange of conflicting ideas at colleges then society is doomed

What about the protesters? Some people don't agree with them, should they be silenced? Of course not, that would defy our basic rights, but that's what you're saying about Milo, he shouldn't speak because some won't agree

Why are you pretending he's there for a debate?

02-02-2017 , 05:43 AM

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kypreanus

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Good job guys. Spreading hatred against gays and squelching opposing ideological views seems to be on rise and daily. Is this acceptable to you?

Quote:

Leftist rioters shut down a speaking event scheduled to feature Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos at University of California, Berkeley, on Wednesday evening.

Speaking with Fox News Channel’s Tucker Carlson, Yiannopoulos said “people in black clothes and masks” who were “clearly carrying concealed shields and weapons” began throwing rocks at the within building which he was preparing for his event. He was subsequently evacuated by his security team.

Yiannopoulos has been touring college and university campuses giving political - with a particular focus on neo-Marxist movements such as feminism and the broader left - speeches for some months.

“Free speech is under serious threat on American college campuses from the progressive left, from the social justice left,” said Yiannopoulos. “Violent left-wing protesters stormed the building and forced me to be evacuated by police and my security detail.”

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13072/...obert-kraychik

02-02-2017 , 05:44 AM

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5ive

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Originally Posted by HastenDan

Paul,

Feelings on the bottom video here?

Condone such violence as morally right and just gotta crack a few eggs? Just another racist fascist in a MAGA hat getting rightfully peppersprayed at point blank by a moral protester?

Or is that what you consider a criminal act of violence which should be condemned?

Does suckerpunching young women in MAGA hats make you happy because it scares those you have decided to label as fascists? Or does it make you mad because someone just assaulted some girl who happened to have voted and support Trump?

Are you sure that's how it works?

02-02-2017 , 05:53 AM

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5ive

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Originally Posted by kypreanus

You were banned for being breathtakingly stupid, and this post is not upsetting the trend.

Here's the thing though: You might have a point, that stupid people are treated unfairly in this forum. I might even champion your cause. But the first step is admitting you have a problem.

02-02-2017 , 05:55 AM

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5ive

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Originally Posted by kypreanus

Good job guys. Spreading hatred against gays and squelching opposing ideological views seems to be on rise and daily. Is this acceptable to you?

http://www.dailywire.com/news/13072/...obert-kraychik

I rest my case?

02-02-2017 , 06:08 AM

#1309

kypreanus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 5ive

I rest my case?

Milo is gay. I am going with the thread's logic here.

Like saying that Trump's ban is a muslim blanket ban when four of the biggest muslim nations weren't banned.

02-02-2017 , 06:10 AM

#1310

kypreanus

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Originally Posted by 5ive

Please explain how the point of views I expressed are stupid.

02-02-2017 , 06:16 AM

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kypreanus

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If you can somehow argue the suppressing political views, here or at the UC Berkley, somehow makes sense with facts and not feelings, I'll be the first admit to admit I am wrong and maybe even join your cause.

02-02-2017 , 06:46 AM

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problemeliminator

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kypreanus

Milo is gay. I am going with the thread's logic here.

Like saying that Trump's ban is a muslim blanket ban when four of the biggest muslim nations weren't banned.

No gives a **** who Milo likes to ****. Promoting hatred againt Milo and the fascists is not at all promoting hatred afainst gays.

No one called it a "blanket" ban. If you recall, it was Trump in December 2015 who explicitly called for a blanket ban. Apprently his lawyers told him that that wasnt legal, so he tried this instead. His intentions are obvious, because he stated them.

02-02-2017 , 07:15 AM

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np1235711

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones

An intelligent person WOULD be looking forward to such discussions because the best way to root out unreasonable thought is to expose it publicly to the light of the noon day sun.

The absolute worse thing that ever happened to the 'popularity' of the KKK was the controversy over the Skokie, IL proposed march in 1977 and the ensuing court case. You geniuses who were taught to shout down oppositions would do well to read this piece carefully :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffr..._b_188739.html

Cliffs:

Quote:

The Skokie controversy triggered one of those rare but remarkable moments in American history when citizens throughout the nation vigorously debated the meaning of the United States Constitution. The arguments were often fierce, heartfelt and painful. The American Civil Liberties Union, despite severe criticism and withdrawal of support by many its strongest supporters, represented the First Amendment rights of the Nazi. As a young law professor at the University of Chicago, I had the played a minor role in assisting the ACLU. In the end, the Illinois Supreme Court, the United States Court of Appeals, and the United States Supreme Court contributed to the conclusion that Skokie could not enjoin the Nazis from marching......

It is useful to consider the three primary arguments set forth by Skokie in support of its effort to forbid the march. First, the village argued that the display of the swastika promoted “hatred against persons of Jewish faith or ancestry” and that speech that promotes racial or religious hatred is unprotected by the First Amendment....

Second, the village argued that the purpose of the marches was to inflict emotional harm on the Jewish residents of Skokie and, especially, on the survivors. Certainly, some residents would be deeply offended, shocked and terrified to see Nazis marching through the streets of Skokie. But they might also be offended, shocked and terrified to know that Schindler’s List was playing at a movie theatre in Skokie, or in Chicago, or in Illinois, and African-Americans might be offended, shocked and terrified to know that the movie Birth of a Nation was playing in a theatre in their town or nation......

Third, the village argued that if the Nazis were permitted to march there would be uncontrollable violence. But is this a reason to suppress speech? Isn’t the obligation of the government to protect the speaker and to control and punish the lawbreakers, rather than to invite those who would silence the speech to use threats of violence to achieve their ends? If the village of Skokie had won on this point, then southern communities who wanted to prosecute civil rights marchers in Selma, Montgomery and Birmingham could equally do so, on the plea that such demonstrations would trigger “uncontrollable violence.” Moreover, once government gives in to such threats of violence it effectively invites a “heckler’s veto,” empowering any group of people who want to silence others to do so simply by threatening to violate the law.....

The outcome of the Skokie controversy was one of the truly great victories for the First Amendment in American history. It proved that the rule of law must and can prevail.....

As Justice Louis Brandeis once explained, the Framers of our First Amendment knew “that fear breeds repression; that repression breeds hate; that hate menaces stable government; that the path of safety lies in the opportunity to discuss freely supposed grievances and proposed remedies; and that the fitting remedy for evil counsels is good ones.”

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02-02-2017 , 07:20 AM

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np1235711

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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones

Looking forward to the following "free exchanges of conflicting ideas" and we SHOULD NOT PROTEST UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE IDEAS SHOULD BE HEARD:

And just for the record.... there is a HUGE difference between peacefully protesting and using violence to shut down speech you disagree with.

The US Supreme Court has clearly spoken on this issue.

02-02-2017 , 08:07 AM

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Of course violence on the streets isn't a good thing. But this is what you're going to have when you have an oppressive minority regime pretending to be a democratically elected government.

When conservatives commit their violence on the street, they usually have a gun and a badge and then they get suspended with pay for a couple of weeks. And they usually have killed someone, not just broken a few glass doors.

02-02-2017 , 09:09 AM

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simplicitus

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Originally Posted by einbert

When conservatives commit their violence on the street, they usually have a gun and a badge and then they get suspended with pay for a couple of weeks. And they usually have killed someone, not just broken a few glass doors.

Actually, I think one of Milo's fans shot someone at another recent event, so there's that too.

I don't get this meme about liberals being tolerant. After winning the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections and yet facing rule by extreme conservatives who act as though they have a mandate, liberal tolerance seems to be waning.

02-02-2017 , 09:11 AM

#1317

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by businessdude

weird that the CNN chinese reporter keep referring to the sceduled speaker at Berkely as "an internet troll"

He has self identified as that

02-02-2017 , 09:23 AM

#1318

5ive

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Originally Posted by np1235711

Yeah that sounds great and all but no.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-06-...1_ku-klux-klan

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/198...te-pride-rally

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...remacist-group

Quote:

The Klan rally, for which leaders had obtained a permit, had originally been scheduled for 2 p.m. But when members of the two groups gathered on Western Avenue near 55th Street, they were attacked by INCAR members who had masqueraded as softball players at a nearby field.

The police then ordered the Klan truck to proceed to the rally site, on the northeast corner of 71st Street and Sacramento Avenue.

Thirty members of the Klan and

supremacist groups, many carrying red and black shields, began their rally shortly before 1:30 p.m., while about 400 spectators watched.

Although the rally was being held ostensibly to protest Sunday`s gay pride parade in the New Town neighborhood, much of the rhetoric was racial.

``We feel no one on the Southwest Side is speaking for the interest of white people,`` said Arthur Jones, national chairman of the supremacist group. Meanwhile, 75 INCAR members and supporters, who had gathered three-quarters of a mile east of the park, marched down 71st Street and entered the park just before 2 p.m., chanting, ``Death to the Klan. Power to the people.`` The racially mixed INCAR group was approaching the site of the Klan rally when many of the white spectators turned and ran at them.

02-02-2017 , 09:29 AM

#1319

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HastenDan

Paul,

Feelings on the bottom video here?

Condone such violence as morally right and just gotta crack a few eggs? Just another racist fascist in a MAGA hat getting rightfully peppersprayed at point blank by a moral protester?

Or is that what you consider a criminal act of violence which should be condemned?

Does suckerpunching young women in MAGA hats make you happy because it scares those you have decided to label as fascists? Or does it make you mad because someone just assaulted some girl who happened to have voted and support Trump?

Noted liberal HastenDan implying that other liberals on this forum approve of the actions of the small group of rioters instead of the actions of the mass group of peaceful protestors.

What a strong liberal guy.

02-02-2017 , 09:52 AM

#1320

Evoken

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Guys please don't ban me, I never even post in this subforum and I don't plan on starting. I will slink away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evoken

SM:
Find me an analogous subset of right wingers suppressing left wing speech or behaving violently specifically to stop somebody from speaking. 3rd or 4th one he's canceled over similar risks. It can't be THAT small of a subset if it's happened several times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulman

You could probably go ask in Politics and get a ton of responses from someone more intimately familiar with US politics though.

I mean specifically for this election cycle in American politics. Thanks, folks.

02-02-2017 , 09:57 AM

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FlyWf

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If Milo exclusively dates black guys I'm a little surprised none of those black guys ever get interviewed by the media.

02-02-2017 , 10:00 AM

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Soulman

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Evoken's post refers to http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/b...-talk-45204141 and related stories in case it wasn't clear.

02-02-2017 , 10:17 AM

#1323

S.K

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Antifascists who are fascists . Gotta give it to ya that's pretty clever!

02-02-2017 , 10:22 AM

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einbert

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I haven't seen anybody on this forum defending the vandalism so far. There is plenty of value in a peaceful protest to criticize and point out why Milo is wrong on so many things. The destruction of property is dumb and obviously plays right into his hands.

02-02-2017 , 10:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Evoken

Guys please don't ban me, I never even post in this subforum and I don't plan on starting. I will slink away.

I mean specifically for this election cycle in American politics. Thanks, folks.

I can't think of a equal and opposite reaction by right leaning academic institutions. There are not that many of those and the only one I can quickly identify, Liberty University, has admirably had some fairly liberal speakers during this election cycle.
That said it is easy to see similarities of the mindset. The right is increasingly rejecting non conservative news sources and rejecting liberal/mainstram view points and retreating into a bubble.

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