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01-23-2017 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
This is a good strategy by the Trump people. If the opposition is occupied by protesting trials they won't be doing as much protesting against Trump directly and most individual potential future protesters won't want to risk being arrested for the next round of trials...
Yes, exactly. The real burden is we don't leave peeps behind, and that's always going to be our #1 priority. Besides destroying peeps lives, the #2 tragedy is the extreme chilling effect.

This here is a shot across the bow of NVDA as a viable tactic. Flat out. This is much, much larger than MAGAism, which will end up being a passing fad.

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... Eventually everyone will get off with a slap on the wrist of course.
We can only hope.
01-23-2017 , 06:32 PM
Indivisible: A PRACTICAL GUIDE FOR RESISTING THE TRUMP AGENDA

Former congressional staffers reveal best practices for making Congress listen.

https://www.indivisibleguide.com/
01-23-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Oh yeah, speaking about what folks can do NOW...

There are over 200 peeps facing felony charges in DC. If they are convicted and sent off to prison for years... there goes our effective right to assemble and speak right out the window. This heinous overcharging is unprecedented. A line has been drawn on the street. Civil society needs to cross that line en mass.



The so-called justice system is incredibly fragile. It can be disrupted quite easily using NVDA. One very successful tactic is bankrupting the jurisdiction. Think 200 show trails each costing upwards of $1M each because of added security. Ain't going to happen... big government will wilt under that kind of financial pressure.

These upcoming show trials need to be disrupted. If they aren't... well I'm an optimist, so I won't say we are all doomed. But just because I won't say it, doesn't make it false.

ETA: Not sure if I have a good source, but it seems there were 69 jury trails in DC in 2014. IIRC in the state of WA there were ~200 a year c.1999. There were ~600 victims of mass arrest from the WTO protests insisting on their right to a speedy and individual jury trial within 30 days. Big government punted, and everybody walked.
You have your ear to the ground on this stuff better than anybody else ITT. If you hear of times and dates in advance, please post them. That is something I would be willing to support in person. Solidarity with all who resist imo.
01-23-2017 , 07:44 PM
Me too.
01-23-2017 , 08:09 PM
That's a long trip for you.
01-23-2017 , 08:49 PM
Oh yeah. I was spacing and thinking of Shame Trolley in San Diego, which is close enough.
01-23-2017 , 10:09 PM
All the Shame Trolleys are actually MissileDog right?
01-23-2017 , 10:10 PM
I haven't been here long enough to know any other Shame Trolley or missiledog.
01-23-2017 , 10:15 PM
Unsurprisingly the White House is saying they intend to push on construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

This is from Rojava Syria

01-23-2017 , 10:17 PM
And with that Trump loses the last of the semi-sympathetic Bernie Bros.
01-23-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
does anybody actually care about that?
01-23-2017 , 10:37 PM
Yes.
01-24-2017 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Unsurprisingly the White House is saying they intend to push on construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

This is from Rojava Syria

I really fear for these brave folks under MAGAism. They're fighting for a bigger stakes... life or death. But still, they extend solidarity to us. Such is solidarity.

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Originally Posted by zikzak
You have your ear to the ground on this stuff better than anybody else ITT. If you hear of times and dates in advance, please post them. That is something I would be willing to support in person. Solidarity with all who resist imo.
I have no inside information. It's also very unlikely I'll be in DC. I will, however, share what I find googling around.

First up, from the chit-chat down at the local, it's already common knowledge that the mass arrests were in reaction to that limo burning. Just as I eyewitnessed up in Seattle on N30, the MSM has some serious timeline problems. Believe me, if we had the ability to time travel, we wouldn't keep getting our butts beat on the street.

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Originally Posted by Variety
More than 200 protestors were arrested in Washington, D.C., on Friday... Later in the day, a parked limousine was trashed and set on fire...
Here is what arrestees are claiming happened, in a legal action. There is a link to the actual lawsuit itself from this article...
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Originally Posted by DCist
After D.C Police made 217 arrests on Inauguration Day, charging all of them with rioting, lawyers for protesters have filed a lawsuit over alleged false arrests and excessive force...

The lawsuit stems from arrests that occurred at 12th and L Street NW, where officers "kettled" a group of protesters, a crowd control tactic in which officers surround people and prevent or curtail their exit around 10:30 a.m...

The lawsuit alleges that police then "indiscriminately and repeatedly" used chemical irritants, batons, and flash-bang grenades against the people inside the kettle, which included "members of the media, attorneys, legal observers, and medics," as well as protesters who did not destroy any private property...

Arraignments for protesters charged with rioting will begin at 1 p.m. today [Jan 23] at D.C. Superior Court. A band arrived outside the court where crowds were gathering...
From all reports, interim DC Police Chief P.Newsham is a rogue cop. As usual in mass arrests, his department isn't letting facts get in the way of their self-serving spew...

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..."All we deployed was pepper spray and sting balls," says MPD spokesperson... MPD has denied using flash-bang grenades against protesters, a claim countered by eyewitnesses on the scene and multiple media reports...
It seems Newsham personally ordered the attack on Friday. Back in 2002, as the officer in charge, he most definitely personally ordered this attack...

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Originally Posted by Washington Post
D.C. to pay $8.25 million to settle mass arrest suit

The District agreed to pay $8.25 million to almost 400 protesters and bystanders to end the lawsuit over mass arrests in Pershing Park...

Police did not warn people to disperse before rounding them up Sept. 27, 2002, and some were hogtied and held for more than 24 hours before being released. Former D.C. police chief Charles H. Ramsey has apologized for the arrests.

It is the third settlement reached by the District in a mass arrest lawsuit in recent weeks. On Nov. 23, the District agreed to pay $13.7 million to about 700 protesters arrested during a 2000 demonstration. It also agreed to pay $450,000 to eight war protesters...

D.C. Attorney General... was also under fire from a federal judge because the District mishandled evidence tied to the Pershing Park arrests.

Attorneys for the protesters have alleged that the District destroyed a key log of police actions that day and deleted portions of radio dispatch tapes. Attorneys for the city have conceded that the evidence has vanished... A report by a retired judge who investigated the matter expressed skepticism about the District's position...

The settlement reached Tuesday does not end the Pershing Park saga...
On a more personal note, some of my FWs it seems were caught up in this attack. From an IWW listserve...

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As some of you may already know. One of our comrades in Seattle was shot... Here is where you can contribute... Also be aware, excess funds will be donated to our comrades arrested at J20 [DC mass arrests].
01-24-2017 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jcorb
this

Except the huge majority of people don't want to roll up their sleeves and make the sausage. They think the world will change because they walked with a sign for 30 minutes.

I go up to our State Legislature on a regular basis to lobby for a cause. It's demeaning, unappreciated work.
Thank you for your service.

I don't know that people don't want to. I think we don't realize the opportunities there are to help. Like I never really thought a random person could just go to the legislature to "lobby for a cause".

I always assumed to run for office you had to be a polished Ivy League'er who majored in Poli Sci and worked at it your whole life, but I've realized that's not the case. Running could definitely be in my future.

I think the idea of holding political office is exciting for a lot of people, but they just assume it's an impossible goal.
01-24-2017 , 08:51 AM
Heh one of my good friends was one of those arrested in 2002 in DC. She was a student newspaper reporter just interviewing the protesters. She just got her last payment from the settlement like a year ago.
01-24-2017 , 12:28 PM
IIRC the harsh penalties for getting arrested at an event with secret service protection were signed by President Obama.
01-24-2017 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
IIRC the harsh penalties for getting arrested at an event with secret service protection were signed by President Obama.
Now I get why HR 347 was mentioned earlier by someone wanting to say Dems do it too.

The Republican sponsored law was supposedly put in place because the SS was not legally able to limit access to the White House and there were legit security concerns.

But, like many other laws, it becomes something lawyers (mostly prosecutors) see as a tool they can use whether it is being used in the manner intended or not. In that it joins things like the RICO act, the 14th amendment, or many of the anti-terrorism laws.
01-24-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
IIRC the harsh penalties for getting arrested at an event with secret service protection were signed by President Obama.
Besides being false... no1curr. This is hardly a donkey/elephant thingee. The peeps who are all into the donkey/elephant freak show are a whole different bunch'o'peeps.
01-24-2017 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
IIRC the harsh penalties for getting arrested at an event with secret service protection were signed by President Obama.
Slurp slurp slurp... Shift change!
01-24-2017 , 01:13 PM
It seems interim chief P.Newsham has a thing about attacking the working press too...

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Originally Posted by Guardian
Two journalists who were arrested while covering the unrest in Washington DC... have been charged with felonies and could face up to 10 years in prison.

The journalists, who were there on assignment, are both charged with the most serious level of offense under the District of Columbia’s law against rioting... Evan Engel of Vocativ and Alex Rubinstein of RT America were arrested on Friday morning outside a school at 12th and L Streets... Both had preliminary hearings scheduled for mid-February...

Engel’s bosses on Monday issued a furious response to the action against their employee, who told them that he was swept up by officers despite repeatedly informing them that he was a journalist covering the unrest. Engel’s camera was seized by police.

“The arrest, detainment and rioting charge against journalist Evan Engel who was covering the protests for Vocativ are an affront to the First Amendment and journalistic freedom,” a spokesman for the site said in a statement. “Vocativ will vigorously contest this unfounded and outrageous charge.”

RT said in an online post that Rubinstein was arrested “even though he showed police his media credentials”.

An arrest report for Engel provided by Washington DC’s metropolitan police department said he was arrested after hundreds of people gathered at the intersection and “numerous crimes were occurring in police presence”.

“The crowd was observed enticing a riot by organizing, promoting, encouraging, and participating in acts of violence in furtherance of the riot,” the police narrative said. “The crowd was observed braking [sic] windows, lighting fires, vandalizing police vehicles, burned a limousine, and other acts of violence. The damaged was determined to excess $5,000.00.”...
Notice, once again, the accusations of time travel.
01-24-2017 , 01:16 PM
I really don't have too much sympathy for those who were trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power to the legitimately elected successor. Hopefully those people will dealt with harshly and those who were just exercising their 1st amendment rights will be let go.
01-24-2017 , 01:24 PM
Hopefully they really prosecute the time travelers. That kind of thing is very dangerous.
01-24-2017 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullycider
I really don't have too much sympathy for those who were trying to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power to the legitimately elected successor...
Yeah, besides nobody caring what you think, that's hardly what the peeps subject to mass arrest were doing. They weren't trying to disrupt the transfer of power. Whatever gave you that fool idea. I already explained to you that this is hardly a donkey/elephant thingee.

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Originally Posted by microbet
Hopefully they really prosecute the time travelers. That kind of thing is very dangerous.
01-24-2017 , 01:39 PM
Just as one glaring example, look at Rex Tillerson and how problematic he is with regards to the climate change issue. There's absolutely no reason the impending destruction of our ecosystem and the resulting destruction of humanity-as-we-know-it should be a left-right issue. Conservatives should be flooding their Representatives and Senators' offices with phone calls demanding that he not be confirmed, because they have kids and grandkids too and they also presumably want to continue to breathe relatively clean air and drink relatively clean water too. But here we are.
01-24-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Just as one glaring example, look at Rex Tillerson and how problematic he is with regards to the climate change issue. There's absolutely no reason the impending destruction of our ecosystem and the resulting destruction of humanity-as-we-know-it should be a left-right issue. Conservatives should be flooding their Representatives and Senators' offices with phone calls demanding that he not be confirmed, because they have kids and grandkids too and they also presumably want to continue to breathe relatively clean air and drink relatively clean water too. But here we are.
Change 'Russians' to 'Republicans'


      
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