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The Resistance: Actvism, protests and more! The Resistance: Actvism, protests and more!

01-22-2017 , 10:01 PM
LOOOOOOL @ "You ruined Home Alone 2"
01-22-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Since Presidents cannot be recalled by a vote of the public, the only thing anyone wanting an actual resistance can do is to lobby for a recall vote...
ZOMG no.

WTF do you think those brave folk are doing blocking that pipeline? What were the goals and tactics of the Montgomery Bus Boycott? How do we have the (now somewhat nominal) eight hour work day?

Playing by the boss class rules can never work. The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House. There's a lesson to be learned here... stop playing Charlie Brown to the status quo's Lucy. This is why we have MAGAism. Instead of that foolish crap, open your eyes, and see what actually works.

Direct Action get's the Goods !!!1!

01-22-2017 , 10:02 PM
I'd like to see a protest against the DNC elites and the superdelegates who forced Hilary down everyone's throat, and were so smug to make comments like they know better than us when petitions to changes their vote to Bernie in states that Bernie won came up. Rise up and replace them while there is still time to get competent leaders in place for 2018! As long as they are in power there is risk they could blow another election. The democrats have to take control of one of the houses in 2018, which is not going to be easy as more democratic senate seats are going to be at risk than republican.
01-22-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe
I'd like to see a protest against the DNC elites and the superdelegates who forced Hilary down everyone's throat. Rise up and replace them while there is still time to get competent leaders in place for 2018! As long as they are in power there is risk they could blow another election. The democrats have to take control of one of the houses in 2018, which is not going to be easy as more democratic senate seats are going to be at risk than republican.
Turns out people care a lot more about an insane policy agenda of a lying bullying sexual predator more than political party members having a preference for which member wins their primary, but hey, we'll file your advice in Trolly's Very Good Advice folder.
01-22-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Until this movement goes in that direction, I'm sorry, I don't take it seriously at all. Power is the only thing that matters in politics, and the resistance has no power.
This is a nihilistic and overly myopic view to take. I've read estimates of 4-5 million people across the nation, a lot of them are young people entering the political arena for the first time. Yesterday was powerful for many people, and the important thing isn't to dismiss it as "too little too late" it is to encourage this political activism and try to carry it forward. To continually stay engaged and to call your reps all the time. To stay engaged and get people out for the midterms.
01-22-2017 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Turns out people care a lot more about an insane policy agenda of a lying bullying sexual predator more than political party members having a preference for which member wins their primary, but hey, we'll file your advice in Trolly's Very Good Advice folder.
Well since it is not possible to go back and change time, I think focus should be on getting back in control as soon as possible, unfortunately best case scenario is gaining control of either congress or senate in 2018 just to be able to block bills, and 2020 or later to have a majority again. That is called thinking strategically. Protesting is not going to change any immediate policy changes of those who just won an election.

Don't get me wrong, the women's march was really impressive and I think should be a great rallying moment to focus on winning a house in 2018, because that is the most important thing that democrats can do. People still need to be realistic and realize they cannot just get a do-over on the results of a recent election. The party is continuing to make the same mistakes and not changing and some serious changes are needed from within the party as well if they want to compete as soon as 2018. If the only focus is on protesting republicans are only going to keep gaining more ground, as they have already won over 1,000 seats in state assemblies nationwide over the last 8 years as well. If they win a control of a couple more state governments they will be be able to start making constitutional amendments. Focus on stopping that.

Anyways, protesting against the DNC leaders and replacing every super-delegate or abolishing them completely is what I would like to do as I feel that is most effective way to make change going forward. If they had allowed around 10 democrats to run in the primaries and let the best person win (like Biden) we wouldn't be in this mess right now. Strategically I think that is the best long-term option, obviously I don't expect a lot of support as the party loves to blame others and never accept personal responsibility.

Last edited by Shoe; 01-22-2017 at 10:36 PM.
01-22-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
This is a nihilistic and overly myopic view to take. I've read estimates of 4-5 million people across the nation, a lot of them are young people entering the political arena for the first time. Yesterday was powerful for many people, and the important thing isn't to dismiss it as "too little too late" it is to encourage this political activism and try to carry it forward. To continually stay engaged and to call your reps all the time. To stay engaged and get people out for the midterms.


but don't ignore the rest of the world. The extreme right wing leaders are cooperating and supporting each other. We have to as well.
01-22-2017 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
This is a nihilistic and overly myopic view to take. I've read estimates of 4-5 million people across the nation, a lot of them are young people entering the political arena for the first time. Yesterday was powerful for many people, and the important thing isn't to dismiss it as "too little too late" it is to encourage this political activism and try to carry it forward. To continually stay engaged and to call your reps all the time. To stay engaged and get people out for the midterms.
I don't think that's enough. The midterms are too far away, and the damage done by then could take decades to recover from. If what happened this weekend doesn't carry forward NOW, if we don't start putting massive pressure on Congress to resist Trump NOW, I truly believe we are in very serious trouble. We can't afford a long term strategy. We're in crisis mode.
01-22-2017 , 11:10 PM
What do we do NOW?
01-22-2017 , 11:17 PM
resistance comes from the strangest of places



01-22-2017 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
What do we do NOW?
Well... there's a pipeline being blocked right now. You could help with that NOW.

Mass deportations and an environmental disaster of a "wall" have been threatened. These can also be blocked by NVDA. However, to be successful, things gotta be organized in advance. That's NOW.

Actually 100% of anything that's at all useful can be done NOW. The only thing that can't be done NOW is poking a meaningless hole in a piece of paper.
01-22-2017 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
What do we do NOW?
January 25th there's a protest of oil pipelines in Pittsburgh at the David L. Lawrence convention center.
01-22-2017 , 11:28 PM
Roughly 1 in 100 Americans took to the streets in protest this weekend. That's staggering.

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Originally Posted by Gizmo
What do we do NOW?
I'm working on a how-to tl;dr post about writing your local congresscritter.
01-22-2017 , 11:37 PM
Maybe I'll start writing to those safe district Republican congresscritters and just saying that I'll be donating to their primary opponents if they don't stop Trump from ruining the country.
01-22-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I'm working on a how-to tl;dr post about writing your local congresscritter.
People are incredibly lazy. Maybe we can make some sort of web service that lets you quickly compose a message and sends a postcard, you pay for the postcard, postage, small fee, etc.
01-22-2017 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
What do we do NOW?
We need to be back out in the streets. The resistance needs to be on the front page and at the top of the news hour every week. As soon as we slip and get complacent we lose public attention, and the GOP Congress can get away with whatever they want.

I'm hoping something comes together in the next couple weeks or so. Otherwise the energy will quickly fade and the situation will be normalized. I'm not sure what it's going to take. Weekly marches on the White House? Daily picketing of Trump Tower? Occupations? It has to be enough to stay in the news and keep the pressure on.

The pipeline protest seems like a nice placeholder, but it's not exactly targeted at the right thing. The one thing we do have going in our favor is Trump's miraculous ability to constantly generate controversy and alarm the ever living **** out of people.

All in all, I can't say I'm optimistic, but I do have a good idea of what I think is necessary, and I'm ready to do my part.
01-22-2017 , 11:55 PM
01-22-2017 , 11:55 PM
The pipeline is good because it's a very specific target and it's something that can be physically blocked. There's another pipeline protest in West Texas. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-te...-idUSKBN13W2IV

Probably there won't be any real attempts to build a wall, but if there are, there will be a permanent protest of that.
01-22-2017 , 11:57 PM
The media is ****ty about covering protests that don't break records, and even then the democracy protest in Washington DC this summer did break arrest records and was barely covered.

There are always protests. Perhaps writing letters to the editor of your local paper about covering smaller protests if you notice they weren't covered.
01-23-2017 , 12:02 AM
Bruce Springsteen is a straight up BOSS.
01-23-2017 , 12:09 AM
Clinton got 2.9 million more votes. Way more people voted against him
than voted for him. The FBI straight up broke the law. Russia
interfered in the election and it was widely reported on, so people
voted against him--but it didn't matter, because of bugs in the system.
Our system is completely broken. Trump can't really be considered a
legitimate President for many reasons.

This is absolutely taxation without representation.
01-23-2017 , 12:11 AM
I did get full mailboxes tonight when calling my Rep. and Senators, so that's at least something to feel good about.

But those mailboxes need to be full 24/7/365. A denial of service attack on their resources. Let them know we're here and keep letting them know.
01-23-2017 , 12:12 AM
One thing worth noting is that nobody can predict which idea is going to grab peoples' attention and take off. That's why I'm just generally supporting the entire resistance in all its forms. The Women's March started as a Facebook post by some random lady in Hawaii. The Adbusters initiative that sparked Occupy was one success amidst a sea of failures by them and their fellow travelers. It's all chaos and butterfly farts.
01-23-2017 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The media is ****ty about covering protests that don't break records, and even then the democracy protest in Washington DC this summer did break arrest records and was barely covered.

There are always protests. Perhaps writing letters to the editor of your local paper about covering smaller protests if you notice they weren't covered.
Write nasty letters to every newspaper, radio station, and online outlet you can find when they cover this mess improperly. Let them know we won't accept conservative tilted coverage which is currently the standard in practically every outlet. Even NPR has been quite conservative lately. Send them a nasty letter and let them know you will withdraw future donations if they don't shape up. The right has been doing this for a very long time and it is effective. Look at where we are today.
01-23-2017 , 12:16 AM
Mat missed you, einbert. Glad you're back and still pestering your congress peeps.

      
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