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01-27-2018 , 03:24 PM
Jesus you are so smarmy. I'm done.
01-27-2018 , 04:57 PM
suzzer would only take his ball and go home if he finally realizes he's wrong. Since he did take his ball and go home after finally getting the answer he's been whining for over the past few months I've obviously won the argument.

Hey suzzer do you see what I did there? That was a strawman argument.
01-27-2018 , 05:21 PM
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See this is why it's a legitimate excuse to say I don't have time to answer your "simple" yes/no question
How ****ing slow do you type?

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There is no coherent set of beliefs that conclude anything other than the idea that Trump represents the will of the electorate as a legitimately elected candidate, his election was illegitimate, or that HRC was a terrible candidate who couldn't even beat Trump.
One of the real big tells these people keep doing is pretending Trump is more popular than he is(they might not support him, and I don't doubt d10 when he says he doesn't, but he doesn't HATE Trump the way he HATED Hillary). Hillary won the popular vote, *****, "the person more people voted for should be President" seems pretty coherent to me.
01-27-2018 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
One of the real big tells these people keep doing is pretending Trump is more popular than he is(they might not support him, and I don't doubt d10 when he says he doesn't, but he doesn't HATE Trump the way he HATED Hillary). Hillary won the popular vote, *****, "the person more people voted for should be President" seems pretty coherent to me.
You're arguing you don't like the EC system? Cool, I can agree with that. Unfortunately that's what we have. Check your undertitle and avatar to see why that matters. If you're unable to accept it the way it is, don't cede your authority to it by casting a vote.

It's also a big tell when someone thinks 49% of the 2-way vote should be used as evidence of a poor candidate but 51% implies anything more than being 2 points better. If you don't think that differential is representative of the true difference between Trump and Clinton don't use it as evidence. Just say Trump sucks for the thousands of other reasons you could cite of him demonstrably sucking.
01-27-2018 , 06:41 PM
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You're arguing you don't like the EC system? Cool, I can agree with that. Unfortunately that's what we have. Check your undertitle and avatar to see why that matters. If you're unable to accept it the way it is, don't cede your authority to it by casting a vote.
LOL my vote isn't my ****ing essence that must be stored, it's a one time opportunity that evaporates after election day.


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It's also a big tell when someone thinks 49% of the 2-way vote should be used as evidence of a poor candidate but 51% implies anything more than being 2 points better.
What the **** are you even talking about? What is that a tell of? Who argued that? Do you even know what "tell" means in this context? No ****ing wonder it takes you 4 months to answer a yes or no question.*


*Just a headsup to you and anyone similarly situated. Everyone knows what's going on when you people theatrically dodge questions. It means that you've been confronted with a situation where you know the answer will make you look bad and you're mad at the person for asking it. That's why they asked it! They deduced a weakness in your argument and exposed you. Think more deeply about the dumb **** you say to avoid that in the future.
01-27-2018 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
What the **** are you even talking about? What is that a tell of? Who argued that? Do you even know what "tell" means in this context?
If you're this confused about what's going on maybe excuse yourself from the conversation. Suzzer came up short in fleshing out his position and he's a lot smarter than you so I don't expect you to be able to figure things out.
01-27-2018 , 11:02 PM
In another case of having zero self awareness and dodging more questions, the above post nearly has a d10 bingo.
01-30-2018 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by d10
See this is why it's a legitimate excuse to say I don't have time to answer your "simple" yes/no question. You're using the same flawed reasoning everyone's (correctly) accused the dumbest deplorables of: expecting a simple answer to a complex issue. Because the simple answer to that question is absolutely worthless unless there's an understanding of what caused these two candidates to become the nominees, what's going on in the electorate that allows this election to be close, what are the broader implications of voting or not voting and what is an individual's responsibility in a democracy.

On the off chance you're actually interested in discussing those issues as opposed to getting some answer you could interpret in a way that allows you to spike footballs: What are you imagining turnout is in this election? Is worse-Trump a threat to win because he's supported by ~50% of the country and everyone's voting? Or is it an election where neither candidate could drive much turnout? If it's the former then you have to accept that worse-Trump is the choice of the electorate. If you wanted to kill democracy and start a new government in light of that I would understand but you chose not to. If it's the latter then we must be dealing with some kind of worse-HRC candidate as well. We could get into all kinds of discussions about whether such an election should be considered legitimate and what led to such a terrible choice that doesn't seem to reflect the will of nearly anyone but let's focus first on the responsibility to cast a vote, since that's how this discussion kicked off in the first place. Do you believe that promoting higher turnout would fix the problem?

I think I know your answer to that question so I'll go ahead and claim your answer is objectively wrong. Promoting turnout is a feature of good candidates that's lost when you also promote turnout for bad candidates. Doug Jones is a Senator because he turned out a much higher % of his likely voters than Roy Moore did. If all eligible voters in Alabama cast their votes it wouldn't have gone down like that. What you're failing to understand is that your imagined solutions to real-Trump's election won't work the way you think they will. There is no coherent set of beliefs that conclude anything other than the idea that Trump represents the will of the electorate as a legitimately elected candidate, his election was illegitimate, or that HRC was a terrible candidate who couldn't even beat Trump. None of those imply I should have voted.

Side note: circular reasoning implies that a premise of an argument is the same as the conclusion. Your mangled interpretation of what I said is neither correct nor does it display the characteristics of circular reasoning. You basically posted a branching statement and claimed it was a loop. I would've expected a programmer of all people should be able to recognize the difference but here we are. If you're going to accuse me of poor reasoning at least be accurate about it.
No one should be obligated to vote, in general, but whether you vote should be a function of not only how good the best candidate is but also the gap between the possible outcomes.

Your calculus appears to be:
"The best possible result is HRC. That is not a good result. Therefore I do not vote."

I contend that analysis is incomplete, and that who the opponents are must necessarily factor into any such decision.

      
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