Racism, Poor Minorities, and Spoiling Children by Giving Them Food - Page 2 - Politics and Economics

So to get this straight, you don't think pipes arguments are representative of much of the hard, fiscally conservative community and resonate with much of the country at large, and likewise you don't think the same of Jman's arguments with regard to law enforcement?

I honestly don't think FoldN is trying to strawman here, though I can certainly understand why to the outside observer this seems so obviously dishonest as to border on trolling.

He's not even following the basic framework of standard argument and discussion protocols, because in SMP nobody did. It was all just free association non-responsive gibberish.

03-25-2015 , 06:29 PM

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microbet- I don't know if you were keeping up on the BruceZ thread, but you know your boy FoldN here is a Holocaust revionist, right?

I didn't keep up and just because I'm being polite to him doesn't mean he's my boy. If he does what he can to defend his friend, if it's to the point that he doesn't see his racist friend for being a racist, that doesn't make me dislike foldn.

If he's a holocaust revisionist, maybe another story, but I wouldn't just take your word for it.

I like that you're not a holocaust revisionist, but it's seeming like you're using my being a Jew as part of your comedy routine. Maybe you should be more clear and say "hey Jewy Jew boy, he's a holocaust revisionist."

03-25-2015 , 06:31 PM

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Great, give us a trip report about how whining about moderation helps to accomplish any of those goals.

When moderation in here becomes less Jerry Springer and more Tim Russert, the ship will be headed in the right direction.

03-25-2015 , 06:32 PM

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(def.) A racist is any person who thinks blacks need special treatment to get ahead in America.
Black Reparations are a species of special treatment for blacks.
Therefore, any advocates for Black Reparations are racists and should be banned.

No, that is not the definition.

03-25-2015 , 06:36 PM

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FoldN man I think you would be enormously less confused at how often people say **** that seems out of nowhere if you gave other people the tiniest, tiniest amount of credit. Like this whole pipes thing... we know. Everyone reading this thread is aware of the concept of fiscal conservatism and the basic outline of Ayn Rand's philosophy.

Now, given that we all knew that BEFORE reading pipes' post, why do you think telling us "I'm pretty sure fiscal conservatives are for small government" is adding to the discussion?

microbet- I don't know if you were keeping up on the BruceZ thread, but you know your boy FoldN here is a Holocaust revionist, right?

Is FoldN = soon2bpro? Pretty similar names.

03-25-2015 , 06:37 PM

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Reparations though are rightful returning of stolen labor. Just like when Nazis took art away from Jews and people try to go back and find the rightful owners. It doesn't matter if someone else "bought" the art in the mean time. If the profiteers of slavery can be directly traced they should lose that profit and it should go to the rightful heirs. Anyone who "inherited" a plantation or stock in RJ Reynolds, received stolen property to some extent. That's really simple and obvious imo.

On a practical level, that might not be practical, and some general reparations taken from society at large might be the only reasonable way to handle it.

I looked at some estimates for stolen labor and some are $3.7 trillion to $57 trillion or something. I think the bottom number and something that could be done is around $50B-$100B - my very quick estimate of the actual wages unadjusted. Bush tax cut has supposedly been something like $6T. It wouldn't be giving a big percentage of that back.

03-25-2015 , 06:41 PM

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...l#post44736543

Here's the post Fly's referring to. I'd like to get the opinions of someone with more knowledge about the Holocaust. If you're interested, it's probably better not to derail this thread any further, so feel free to take it the racism thread in PU.

03-25-2015 , 07:00 PM

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No, that is not the definition.

Sure it is: Any policies that hurt blacks are racist; liberal policies hurt blacks; ergo, liberal policies are racist and liberals are racists.

03-25-2015 , 07:01 PM

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Sure it is: Any policies that hurt blacks are racist; liberal policies hurt blacks; ergo, liberal policies are racist and liberals are racists.

Now you are using yet another incorrect definition.

03-25-2015 , 07:04 PM

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Ayn Rand and her followers would disagree with you, and they probably think you and your ideas are a pile of crap. On that, I disagree with you both.

A WINNER IS DIDS!

03-25-2015 , 07:07 PM

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Sure it is: Any policies that hurt blacks are racist; liberal policies hurt blacks; ergo, liberal policies are racist and liberals are racists.

You went full bahbahmickey

Never go full bahbahmickey bro.

03-25-2015 , 07:08 PM

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When moderation in here becomes less Jerry Springer and more Tim Russert, the ship will be headed in the right direction.

Once again, this has a thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...64/index7.html

Some JAQng off still needing answers in here to boot!

03-25-2015 , 07:18 PM

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FoldN wishes death on Mr. Wookie ITT.

03-25-2015 , 07:24 PM

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microbet- I absolutely am using that. You're pretty quick on the draw when people are anti-semitic, but when it's the filthy criminal Negro that some nice prosecutor fellow wants to say was on PCP.... whoa whoa whoa. Lets be nice.

So this isn't a comedy routine. I think you may reconsider your pathological need to white knight for racists if you thought a bit about what they think about people of your persuasion. Appeals to your better nature have failed, so we're moving to more direct arguments.

03-25-2015 , 07:29 PM

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Jman220 came up again and aside from generally calling aholes aholes, he's the only poster I white knighted and he's the poster boy for someone who never said anything racist but was driven off by you and your mod.

03-25-2015 , 07:31 PM

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Oh yeah, and he's a Jew. How Jewey of me.

03-25-2015 , 08:14 PM

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This "special treatment" idea always comes up in these discussions. No one wants "special treatment" for black people. They've been getting "special treatment" for a couple hundred years and continue to receive it, to their detriment.

03-25-2015 , 08:21 PM

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If he's a holocaust revisionist, maybe another story, but I wouldn't just take your word for it.

I mean, you can go back and read the sequence of posts for yourself.

03-25-2015 , 08:59 PM

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Mr Wookie,

What is your reasoning for temp-banning Greear and perma-banning pipes? I would of switched the bans if I were in your shoes.

03-25-2015 , 09:01 PM

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I think I only temp banned pipes. Might have gotten the undertitle wrong

03-25-2015 , 09:34 PM

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You went full bahbahmickey

Never go full bahbahmickey bro.

Huh? It’s clearly valid, so if the premises are true, the conclusion is as well. You don’t think policies that harm blacks are racist?

03-25-2015 , 09:35 PM

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Huh? It’s clearly valid, so if the premises are true, the conclusion is as well. You don’t think policies that harm blacks are racist?

You are using an awfully funny definition of "harm" if it includes giving people money.

03-25-2015 , 11:01 PM

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You are using an awfully funny definition of "harm" if it includes giving people money.

So you believe that it is best to give kids anything they want all throughout their life? I mean, you can't harm someone by giving them free stuff, right?