In what universe is this happening in American public schools? No child left behind has made curriculums that are designed just for the students to be able to pass standArdized tests. Arts, sciences, athletics are being cut all across the country in middle class schools and below. Liberal arts such as anthropology, sociology psychology, political science, advanced literature are not mandatory classes. In fAct most public high schools do not offer these courses or if they do it is just a one semester class with an idiot who doesn't care teaching the class and barely knows the information.


It sounds really cool to say "the schools are churning out social justice warriors", but in reality schools are churning out exactly the opposite. The internet is what makes social justice warriors...not public schools lol.

Your posts are disgusting and you have nothing to offer. This is supposed to be a forum with so-called intelligent people yet you say empty bull**** like the above that has no basis in reality. This forum is a joke, you idiots are no smarter than the general public. Ayn rands farts smell and so do yours, probably much worse than the general population.

Okay cool, if you aren't going to tell us why you're here, can we at least skip ahead to the part where you have some kind of point to make about something?

Have we gotten shorn7's take on Thomas Jefferson slave rape yet?

The thing is skin color does not have any bearing on whether someone can comply with the voter ID laws. The groups who have trouble or have a higher percentage of people who do not currently have a ID are the poor and elderly.

If one looks at those groups and the numbers those who are too apathetic to get an ID to vote (the law requires everyone be able to get a free ID if they can't afford one) The vast majority are white. A law which causes 7 whites to not vote to every 3 blacks was properly found by the supreme court including the opinion of a liberal judge as not racist.

Speak for yourself, I have no issue with undocumented immigrants voting. At least once, anyway.

Nor do I, they should be allowed to vote. Only once imo.

So is that another argument against voter ID - does this group currently vote?

Who is doing that forcing? How are you being forced to do anything?

Because what it seems to me is that widdle baby shorn7 doesn't want a discussion. Want he wants is congratulations for holding opinions, full stop, no consideration to be given about the correctness or social context of those opinions.

Because disagreement produces these temper tantrums about how mean everyone is to him.

This might be relevant if we were talking about criminal acts.

Keep trying, duffee.

In fact, documented immigrants can't vote either, but I don't care about those people.

And, as Trolly and LG have made clear, in their infinite wisdom the leadership of this forum has created TWO entire subforums where the prevailing culture is one of zero judgment gladhanding for managing to click the "post" button, regardless of the content of those posts.

This forum, on the other hand, is more for a discussion of Politics. Facts, theories, historical trends, future predictions... that sort of stuff. It is expected that one's posts will contain something approaching a vague outline of a ****ing point. Disagreement is not just tolerated, but encouraged!

"I don't like getting called racist, and don't like it when other people get called racist" is not even a cool story, bro. It's a sad story.

So, and this is directed to shorn, FoldN, chez, the lot of you: why are you here?

it's common when considering what people mean as well.

the fact it's commonly used to judge criminal acts either means the law is ridiculous or in fact intentions are accessible

I mean it's kind of funny that Chezlaw you think you're sifting the wheat of discussion from the chafe of abuse but you can go to the voter ID law discussion go over these same points over and over and over again. They've all been handled repeatedly and thoroughly.

Where the pearls get clutched is when someone timidly offers the opinion that perhaps the Republicans are doing voter ID laws full well knowing it's going to disenfranchise minorities and that bears a shocking resemblance to the methods of former extremely racist state governments to disenfranchise minorities.

You can be mean all you want. I don't want your congratulations (especially yours). And you cant read if you think I don't understand the social context of things. Disagreement does not produce temper tantrums. People who drop in every once in a while and disgustingly call someone a racist with zero evidence...yes that bothers me. Doesn't seem to bother most in the forum or the people who monitor and I guess that is fine.

If the answer is simply to leave the forum, then ok, I might do that.

Hmmm, I honestly cannot recall any post of yours like ever that ever contained anything that would be considered "Facts, theories, historical trends, future predictions." But cool story bro.

shorn7 how do you want the voter ID discussion to go:

Person A: ACORN STOLED THE 'LECTION WITH THE VOTER FRAUD, VOTER ID NOW!

Person B: No, actually voter fraud is incredibly rare, you don't know how voting works, you have no evidence for voter fraud besides obvious fabrications.
Voter suppression laws like ID requirements are about the GOP trying to discourage turnout among the poor, minorities, and the young.

Person A: WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN, PLAYING THE RACE CARD, ETC.

Like imagine nobody mentioned racism, ever, to protect your impossibly fragile feelings. How does the voter ID discussion go to stop you from whining? Do we have to admit that voter fraud is real even thought it isn't?

Like I said, what you want is affirmation. Disagreement is oppression to your views, you already know you're right.

stock,

Many of the governmental actions that "allowed" the financial mess to take place predate Bush. The overall point was the industry pushed for deregulation, got it, and then proceeded to run roughshod all over even the laws that still remained. I'm far from a "both parties are the same" kind of guy in most situations but neither party in the preceding decades did much in the way of anything to put the genie back in the bottle or in the way of general policing.

However, none of that excuses financiers from repeated, blatant illegal actions, which is what I meant in that original analogy. Sure the government might have been bought, but they gave the banks the market they wanted and they proved both utterly incompetent, criminally negligent, and disgustingly predatory with their new-found freedom. It's certainly not a point in favor of deregulation of financial markets although I don't necessarily think you were arguing that.

When someone comes in and is all "yeah the finance companies have some blame but WHAT ABOUT THE POORS and their DUMB DECISIONS and DON'T FORGET THE GOVERNMENT in this BIG MESS" that was overwhelmingly driven by irresponsible, deregulated private industry, it just reeks of blatant ideological grandstanding in lieu of a reasoned discussion based on facts.

This is funny. You start the post by asking me how I would like something to go and then you say at the end "Like I said, what you want is..."

I mean really?? You are just a joke so please just ignore me and use your schtick on someone else. thx

Can we request that Central Casting send over a smarter and less fragile group of racists with whom we could debate?

BruceZ/whine about moderation thread is in PU. Thanks in advance.

Everyone is entitled to draw their own lines based on how they perceive the posts.

If you find the voter ID discussion abusive you're free to ignore it as much or as little as you wish, and you're free to throw labels about. It remains a real political issue either way.

Not inherently racist

What, concretely, does this mean. This is like the fourth time this has come up in the last two days and Ive yet to get a concrete answer. Can you elaborate? Like who is not acting personally responsible and what policy changes do we want to see in order to push personal responsibility

If its about Mike Brown, gotta tell you, feel he was held as responsible as possible given that he's dead.

Ferguson.....waaaaaaaay beyond that leeway. Like, not close.

Great, which voter ID law do you think currently exists that is doing a good job on the cost/benefit side on this front and isn't, in practice, being used to disenfranchise voters (hint, don't say PA)

Meh, yes and no.

Shorn,

No one has actually been called racist just for wanting lower taxes and voter ID laws. They get called racist for why they want those things and the arguments they use to justify the position.

Racism is still a culpable act. In duffee think, the category is ‘racial discrimination’. Racism is a species of that category, just as murder is a species of homicide. But there’s a reason we don’t call negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter, negligent murder or involuntary murder, which is a very different reason why liberals call acts of negligent or unintentional racial discrimination “racism.” They want the contemptuous punch the term racism carries. Everybody knows that, DrChesspain.

If you're for Voter ID in order to control rampant voter fraud then you're (at the least) one of the following two things:

1) A racist
2) Stupid

So if I said I want to pay less in taxes because I think the government budget should be cut (everywhere) and that they waste way too much tax money on ridiculous things (bridges to nowhere, etc.), how would you classify me?

If I also said that I think a citizens right to vote is one of the most important rights we have and therefore everything should be done to make sure that only those who are eligible to vote DO vote, how does that classify me?