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08-06-2015 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The essential difference here is that goofy is representing the data with a confidence interval for each candidate instead of a global margin of error for the entire poll. It's much easier for a layman to see that there's no overlap between the 05% intervals for 10th place and 11th place.
Does this mean the top 10 are the top 10?
08-06-2015 , 08:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The essential difference here is that goofy is representing the data with a confidence interval for each candidate instead of a global margin of error for the entire poll. It's much easier for a layman to see that there's no overlap between the 05% intervals for 10th place and 11th place.
Yes this is obvious but i did the calculations for the original poll data she presented in her show with corrected errors and they were very close and i estimated over 75% chance one of the 11th,12th,13th or even 9th to be the real 10th. In this chart though this is more like less than 1% though. This is why i asked if this is a new set of polls.

In the original poll dataset she made 2 bad errors (she used standard maximum error defined at 50% probability as 3.5-4% for all and she failed to update it in fact down to 1.8% after adding 5 polls that each was around 3-4% - Both those errors are terrible actually for a person that deals with polls and some simple statistical analysis often as part of her job and as someone that ought to have prepared - and her team- for her argument with more scrutiny than a random live comment). However, moreover the errors, in the original poll data her argument still had merit because they were like 2.6% vs 2.2%,1.8% 1.4% each with close to 0.5-0.6% errors. Here the 10th is more like 4%, so much higher than before it seems to make the top 10 a lot more clear and secure. I think goofball is updating ie uses what the polls she used look today (or other recent similar polls) not then.

This is the original data set she used http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...r-492254275819

Here are some polls in recent times;

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tion-3823.html

Last edited by masque de Z; 08-06-2015 at 08:42 AM.
08-06-2015 , 08:36 AM
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08-06-2015 , 09:12 AM
Goofy said he used the five most recent RCP polls, it would seem to be a different data se from Maddow.
08-06-2015 , 11:33 AM
I can't watch Rachel Maddow for more than 5 minutes without wanting to throw a chair through the tv screen.
08-06-2015 , 12:11 PM
masque,

I used whatever the 5 most recent polls were at the time I made the post. It was more an "here's an updated picture AND ALSO I fixed the methodological mistakes" rather than a comment on what her original data would have looked like with better math.

      
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