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Originally Posted by einbert
If you are from a country that is really doing good stuff there is nothing wrong with being proud of that--but that's not the same thing as nationalism. But yes of course you can't blame former colonialized people for being happy to have some self-determination.
Well my point is that nationalism isn't as necessarily absolutist as one might initially perceive & can come in different forms, some of it benign, most of it not so much. I'm happy that I have a sense of determination & recognise that some died for this. That could be construed by some as nationalsm although I don't regard myself as such.
Nope how about a big fat yep & I truly can't emphasise that enough.
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The USSR lifted more people out of poverty than any other project, and Cuba is currently able to provide better medical care and education to its citizens than countries with massively higher amounts of wealth. They did kill a lot of people, when they killed the Nazis and ended World War 2.
Okay. First of all let me clarify a couple of things. I'm neither left nor right wing or American. Some issues I have leftist sympathies with other issues I'm conservative on. I'm also working class. And from a colony who was a victim of what you might (arguably) call "imperialism" if you will & I guarantee you Communists & hard lefties everywhere would indeed call it "imperialism". I have no radical political views.
I do appreciate altruism & humanism though & I get the impression that it's from this perspective that you're coming from, so I'm not gonna dismiss you outright. But leave the historical revisionism for the Holocaust Deniers as everyone laughs at that shower anyway. And also leave the flat out lies for the Holocaust deniers also as the Soviet Regime killed far far
far more than just Nazis I assure you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Stalin had millions killed & brushed it off by saying the death of one was a tragedy & a million a statistic. Then there was the whole Gulag/oppression/curtailing of freedom of expression/anti Semitism/oppression of gays/waiting hours in the breadline thing in case you missed those rather glaring parts. Castro was also a megalomaniac who called the Soviets a bunch of "
maricons" for not starting nuclear Armageddon during the Cuban Missile crisis. He also brutally repressed gays & any dissidents, not just the right wing terrorist types based in Miami. Not one single Communist country worked as it doesn't allow for human nature & sees people in terms of drones- workers who can be expended if need be. Every single communist nation had an abysmal human rights record.
Do not engage in revisionism with me and do not engage in falsehoods otherwise it'll be pointless continuing with you & I mean no offence saying that, I simply believe in being out straight, thanks.
According to French polls in 1945, 1994, and 2004, who contributed the most to the Allied victory in World War II
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As you can see, the US propaganda on this has been very effective. But we can see clearly that the fate of the people of Russia has fallen into terrible places since communism fell in 1991, and the huge majority of people there want socialism/communism back in some form. So no I won't be changing my avatar, especially not for you.
I always stated readily that the Soviet Union won WWII i the sense that they did the most hard graft, beating back the Nazis inch by bloody inch at absolutely enormous sacrifice which is why they call it the Great Patriotic War. I've seen their speeches when they celebrate it & the emphasis on how they never gave up.(unlike other nations which they never fail to mention btw as all the other countries are run by little girls etc).
So regardless of US propaganda, I've simply analysed & interpreted history. I find it bemusing though how you mention propaganda while engaging in your own with your rose tinted proclamation of the Worker's Utopia.
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As you can see, the US propaganda on this has been very effective. But we can see clearly that the fate of the people of Russia has fallen into terrible places since communism fell in 1991,
As any society would under any radical "ism" that went suddenly. Such as Saddamism by way of a pertinent example. You can't go from one extreme to the other & not expect serious problems socially & economically.
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and the huge majority of people there want socialism/communism back in some form.
Yeah 74 years of it being beaten into you tends to have such an effect.
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So no I won't be changing my avatar, especially not for you.
Whaddya mean "especially" not for "me"? You don't even know me, stranger on the internet, lol.
Bottom line the symbol you use is no different than a swastika & equally odious in terms of the suffering it caused & mostly against the global working class. So if you are gonna use a symbol of horrific oppression, genocide & crimes against humanity in order to speak out against oppression & unfairness & imperialism then don't expect to be taken remotely seriously by people who do analyse & interpret history as your sheer revisionism has you coming across like one of those teens/very young adults who sport a Che Guevara tee shirt without having a clue about him either.
Totalitarian regimes suck regardless of their golden intentions. Sooner you learn that the better & if you're going to condemn oppression & highlight human rights then be egalitarian about it.
Nice talking with you cheers.
Last edited by corpus vile; 08-16-2018 at 12:47 PM.