yo dinoboy, you dont get to talk down to the queen like this and be taken seriously

The one possible negative to her competing and winning that prize is that it might be an indication that she overestimates the the number of people who achieve things many for the pride of accomplishment even when there is not apt to be a lot of money in it. (My first post was semi serious but not this one.)

Seems she was just as interested in the effect radicals could have back then as she is now.

I actually enjoy most of her tweets

It's not even as far back as his dino comments. I brought up something else dumb he said a month or two ago. A few weeks he was calling Nathan Phillips a paid protester in the Covington thread.

Yes, he should be totally "ignored".


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Not only is she not dumb, she’s well versed in a multitude of topics beyond what you’d typically expect from a freshman representative. She has strong stances on a number of issues and can back them up, regardless of whether you think she’s right. Calling AOC dumb is bad but doing so while also maybe thinking Donald Trump is pretty smart is unconscionable.

She's not dumb at all.

Actually politically very savvy. She ain't going anywhere for years.

Even after chasing Amazon out, I'm sure she would win a midterm redo even harder.

Hopefully she only last two terms.

She ran unopposed. No way is anyone primarying her either.

Because he's a hypocritical piece of human garbage that lives in a sewer in mmmmm probably Racine if I had to guess.

Please just stop engaging the troll. I'm sure he's just using your "libtard tears" as lube.

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lol yeah the centrist wing of the party did fantastic at stopping Trump in 2016, wonderful argument buddy

Surely Booker would win Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana and South Carolina for the Democrats in 2020!

That has more to do with the fact that the Clintons have spent their whole careers doing retail politics and building a strong ground game in the South. I mean, it's nuts to look at the 2016 results and act like that's a huge win for centrism. Bernie is a geriatric fringe commie who shouldn't have won a single state outside Vermont, and yet he grabbed a whole swath of them from the presumptive establishment candidate. Plus Berniewouldawon, ldo.

Also, the "we have to pick a black guy to win the black vote" argument is sort of undercut by Clinton and Gore doing exceptionally well with AA voters.

He or Biden would have a better chance of winning OH/PA vs Trump than Harris/Warren/Bernie.

Hey it's easy to mock centrists now, when you're all fired up by those awesome AOC tweets. Check back in Nov of next year, we'll see how things went for the Dems and the progressive left.

Biden, the guy who is *openly hostile* to anyone under 35 is your guy over those 3? Biden is pretty much the worst possible candidate and I have no idea why you'd think otherwise.

Biden could beat Schultz. That's about it.

Black democrats are more moderate than white democrats therefore they prefer moderate candidates is wrong. For white democrats, the linear scale (left, right) involves various economic and social issues. As a for example, Bernie is fairly left on economic issues so he's left in the white point of view. Many white democrats don't weigh anti-black white supremacy heavily in their evaluations. Quite a few think white supremacy was defeated in the 60s or never existed. Some think it's a symptom and will go away with good economic policies. A few lump it in as one of many general social issues.

Black voters don't have the luxury of ignoring or denying white supremacy. They live the reality. I imagine that a key question for black voters is:

* does this politician deny or diminish white supremacy?
* Is there any chance they will fight against white supremacy?

These questions will be important for black voters whether they are otherwise liberal or conservative, and the questions are independent of whether the candidate is otherwise liberal or conservative. Hillary Clinton scored well on these questions. The Clintons made a point to know black people, to be seen with them, to listen to them -- long before Bill ran for president. Bill Clinton is comfortable in black spaces in a way other white politicians just aren't. On the other hand, Bernie prioritizes class over race. That's an answer which makes whites happy and blacks rightly suspicious; he has a problem with the first question.

Every candidate gets their own shot at these questions. Being a black candidate buys a presumption of credibility, but that can be lost. Likewise it doesn't take much for a white candidate to pass the test, although very few do. Beto O’Rourke scored great in his Senate campaigns.

Getting black support is obviously more complicated than just opposing white supremacy, but if you want a simple rule of thumb that's a whole lot better than 'be moderate'.

Cmon man Bernie won't have any problems. Like you said, black voters live in reality. And the reality is Obama would be endorsing Bernie and Trump is a racist birther. Not exactly a tough decision

Left-right USA vs. Europe is weird and identification seems to mostly have to do with personality. The Euros on 2p2 with right-leaning personalities are still all lol-USA health care, lol at everyone going into huge debt for college and lol at 2 weeks off if you're lucky. But if those same people were in the USA I'm sure they'd be against the welfare state.

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Bernie probably would have problems with black turnout relative to a black/Hispanic candidate but lol at blacks voting for Trump.

Bernie would do worse than Bill just because Bill was a generational public speaker that spent decades cultivating the black vote.