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02-12-2018 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rugby
I think its clearly both.

I.e. education is much more than just the facts you learn AND a big part of the value of institutional education is the signaling.

The first is certainly part of why online education has taken much longer to take off but i dont think its a fundemental barrier to technological disruption.

I.e. a teacher or professor in india or the philippines earns much less than in the US or the UK. In a world of cheap VR and/or full room videoconferencing, that price difference will be difficult to sustain.

Likewise, when you look at how teachers (or childcare professionals etc) spend their time. How much of it is real value add and how much is open to automation?

Finally, the psychology of how we learn, retain information, and develop skills is developing rapidly, this has been very slow to be taken up in education, but does offer paths for more technological disruption.

Re signalling. I think this is why further education seens to be moving faster, and why im doing courseras not a paid masters. Ive no need of more signals, i just need to learn a ton of stuff. (Although arguing with idiots on 2+2 instead of finishing my coursework could be a strong point in favour if a real uni)
As someone who has two children I can tell virtually nothing about childcare is open to automation. Children's videos have existed since forever, but evidence shows that they are a poor substitute for one on one interaction, which compared to consumer goods is prohibitively expensive. An amazon Alexa can cost 200 dollars and last a decade but at a bare minimum of 10 dollars an hour 200 dollars will get you half a week of a child's 5 years of pre- kindergarten care's needs. In fact, childcare is nearly the number one expense of a young parents, almost above a mortgage or car payment.
02-12-2018 , 03:41 AM
Do i think government economists in multiple countries are faking inflation figures. No.

Things i do think.

1. Economic ortbodoxy is very slow to change.
2. Government economists tend to be behind even this slow curve
3. Being heavily invested on a system built on 30 years of doing the same thing every year makes you less likely to challenge those assumptions.
4. When something is very difficult or impossible to measure (like rapid quality changes in tech or healthcare) and you therefore need to make judgement calls ( that you can dress up however you like) you are not going to land at putcomes that result in a major change to your model. I.e. literally no economist is going to build a model saying GDP per head has gone up 2000% because we now all have the equivalent of an million dollar IBM super computer from the 1990s in our pockets.
5. When things are difficult and complicated, people in general, and governments in particular, are going to choose the simple option. Especially if that means they are hitting target.

Like. We only have to look to 2008 to see multiple government institutions marching off a cliff because things had changed too fast and the reality was not politically palitable.
02-12-2018 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
As someone who has two children I can tell virtually nothing about childcare is open to automation. Children's videos have existed since forever, but evidence shows that they are a poor substitute for one on one interaction, which compared to consumer goods is prohibitively expensive. An amazon Alexa can cost 200 dollars and last a decade but at a bare minimum of 10 dollars an hour 200 dollars will get you half a week of a child's 5 years of pre- kindergarten care's needs. In fact, childcare is nearly the number one expense of a young parents, almost above a mortgage or car payment.
one weird thing this makes me think of is that in all developed countries 2 children is now above average. I wouldnt rule it out completely but i dont think ill ever have a kid and i think this is a growing phenomenon of our time people having less kids. perhaps because the middle class is being hollowed out. just some thoughts.
02-12-2018 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
As someone who has two children I can tell virtually nothing about childcare is open to automation. Children's videos have existed since forever, but evidence shows that they are a poor substitute for one on one interaction, which compared to consumer goods is prohibitively expensive. An amazon Alexa can cost 200 dollars and last a decade but at a bare minimum of 10 dollars an hour 200 dollars will get you half a week of a child's 5 years of pre- kindergarten care's needs. In fact, childcare is nearly the number one expense of a young parents, almost above a mortgage or car payment.
I am not a parent, but i did spend three years living with my sister and young nephews.

Just spit balling here. But things like.

1. Changing a nappy.
2. Reading practice.
3. Food prep.
4. Cleaning up, laying out toys and games.
5. Teaching.

Are all open to some kind of automation (although not for many years with current tech). Even more so if you look at multipliers and/or remote interaction.

I.e. some combination of AI for the simpler stuff, trained teachers in a call centre somewhere picking up a bunch of the interaction at a low cost, and a trained professional onsite supported by a bunch of clever robotics doing the physical grunt work, and you could have a much lower teacher to child ratio.

Of course you will probably just see expectations rise and more high value face time will ve required. I.e. childcare got a lot easier with washing machines, vacuum cleaners and microwaves, but people are now spending more time with their kids, not less.
02-12-2018 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
You can keep multiquoting. However, you're not dispelling the derp you laid.

So are you going to actually prove the BLS is in business of fudging or just continue being a petty pissant who cherrypicks articles?

And lets look at wrongness..

1) You didn't know QE isn't a new thing
2) You don't seem to understand what's measured in CPIs. Nor understand why some goods aren't included in it and instead defer to inflationistas.
I doubt reading comprehension is your strong suit but rugby never implied Quantitative Easing was a new thing but instead that it would become a new buzzword by pundits on TV. By saying it was something people should "brush up on" he implies it has existed for some time.

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02-12-2018 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I think education is something unique in that the essentials of education, the bare knowledge, is easily available. The question then becomes is education more than the bare information, aka does an MBA entail more than merely the rote facts of business, but how to write an executive summary, how to play labor off of each other, how to pit regulation against itself, the people you meet, the connection with the teachers who teach you, aka more than mere knowledge or is education itself a signaling exercise where what you lean is less relevant than the fact that you're willing to learn the facts of whatever your learning and therefore who that you're willing to do what it takes to apply yourself in your specific realm of study.


I think both are disappointing to those who wish that education become a mass online experience because either education is more there mere facts that require one on one education that will necessarily be difficult to "disrupt" or education is a signaling exercise in which case it'd be best to minimize the spending completely because an education has nothing to do with what you actually learn rather than showing what you're willing to do in pursuit of an education .
Missed the goodwill hunting clip on first read. Amazing. Love that movie.
02-12-2018 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
Measuring inflation isn't hard.
https://www.economist.com/blogs/econ...ist-explains-1

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Originally Posted by The Economist

The Economist explains - Why it is so difficult to measure inflation

If all that sounds simple, it is not. First there is the question of what to put in the basket. Consumption habits change all the time and wonks must estimate what to put in the basket through surveys on household spending. Britain updates its basket once a year, so it is likely to be fairly representative (this year, gin and cycling helmets were added; menthol cigarettes were out). But America only does so every two years, and used to do so every ten. At the same time statisticians must account for the fact that the quality of the basket often improves. This year’s smartphone might cost more than last year’s, but it will also do more. If statisticians focus only on changes in price, they will overstate the true inflation rate by missing improvements in performance. An advisory committee set up by America’s Senate in the mid-1990s reckoned that the failure to adjust for quality and new products meant true inflation was overstated by at least 0.6% a year.

A single measure of inflation cannot reflect the different cost-of-living changes faced by different sorts of people. For instance, London has seen rapid increases in house prices each year, yet since CPIH is a national figure, the inflation faced by Londoners may be understated. There is also a rich-poor divide. The method of constructing an inflation index is often described as “plutocratic”, rather than “democratic”. In other words, the choice of what to put in the basket is skewed by what rich people buy, since rich people spend more. (So if a rich wag decided to spend billions of pounds all in one go on, say, shoehorns, then in theory shoehorns would make up a big chunk of the inflation basket the following year.) This can mean that rich and poor folk experience different inflation rates. For instance, poor households spend more of their budgets on food, and in the 2000s food prices were rising quickly. One paper found that from 2003 to 2014, the average inflation rate for those in the bottom income quintile was 3.4% compared with 3% for the top quintile.

It is not easy to get around any of these problems. Britain’s statistics office has mooted introducing regional indicators, as well as stratifying inflation by income. Yet even with these changes, inflation will remain a fuzzier measure than is commonly acknowledged.
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02-12-2018 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D

QE gonna **** us all...... yeaahhhhhh... ~half a decade after the last rounds of it.
  • QE in the US ended in October 2014. (Closer to three than five years...)
  • The EU is thinking about ending QE this year, but as of now, seems to be ongoing.
  • The UK continued until 2017.
  • Japan and Switzerland are (as of a few months ago at least) continuing with QE with no plans to end it.
  • The USA has 4.5 trillion in assets from the three QE programs, the UK about 450 billion pounds...

But yeah... this is all old news, nothing that we need to think about here.

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Smugness, wrongness, and short content free posts are a terrible look for you mate, maybe time to step away for a while.
02-12-2018 , 06:06 AM
The last round of QE began in 2012. So my statement is factual. If you cannot even fathom why I am not pulling ~5 years out of thin air, you really should stop and take a look at yourself. You don't bother researching. You call me smug, but all you can do is cherrypick articles to reaffirm your confirmation biases. Seriously, you're being a pissant instead of actually communicating like an adult.

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A third round of quantitative easing, "QE3", was announced on 13 September 2012. In an 11–1 vote, the Federal Reserve decided to launch a new $40 billion per month, open-ended bond purchasing program of agency mortgage-backed securities. Additionally, the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) announced that it would likely maintain the federal funds rate near zero "at least through 2015."[54][55] According to NASDAQ.com, this is effectively a stimulus program that allows the Federal Reserve to relieve $40 billion per month of commercial housing market debt risk.[56] Because of its open-ended nature, QE3 has earned the popular nickname of "QE-Infinity."[57] On 12 December 2012, the FOMC announced an increase in the amount of open-ended purchases from $40 billion to $85 billion per month.[58]

On 19 June 2013, Ben Bernanke announced a "tapering" of some of the Fed's QE policies contingent upon continued positive economic data. Specifically, he said that the Fed could scale back its bond purchases from $85 billion to $65 billion a month during the upcoming September 2013 policy meeting.[59][not in citation given] He also suggested that the bond-buying program could wrap up by mid-2014.[60] While Bernanke did not announce an interest rate hike, he suggested that if inflation followed a 2% target rate and unemployment decreased to 6.5%, the Fed would likely start raising rates. The stock markets dropped by approximately 4.3% over the three trading days following Bernanke's announcement, with the Dow Jones dropping 659 points between 19 and 24 June, closing at 14,660 at the end of the day on 24 June.[61] On 18 September 2013, the Fed decided to hold off on scaling back its bond-buying program,[62] and announced in December 2013 that it would begin to taper its purchases in January 2014.[63] Purchases were halted on 29 October 2014[64] after accumulating $4.5 trillion in assets.[65]
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And btw the lag from QE would've already emerged in 2014. Which is going to go on 4 years shortly.

Also, you have whined about orthodoxy in economics, but I guarantee you have fk all clue what actual is being taught in classrooms (you're an illiterate who relies on opinions of people you read) and advancements in theories in the past thirty years. You throw around stupid statements like government agencies have some sort of need to fudge data like a goldbug would say about the Fed, or some other anti-govt conspiracy slinger. That's sure a good look. You're anti-intellectual.
02-12-2018 , 08:34 AM
You. QE obviously isnt relevent now. Its five years since the last round.

Me. Um. It ended just over 3 years ago in the US, and is ongoing/more recent in most major economies.

You: ha. Its started 5 years ago. Thats what i meant. You are so dumb.

Me: sigh. Okay.

You know people can actually read the words you write? You are making a fool of yourself.
02-12-2018 , 09:41 AM
Thread needs more incorrect adios takes.
02-12-2018 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul D
I guarantee you have fk all clue what actual is being taught in classrooms
Prop bet?
02-12-2018 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rugby
I am not a parent, but i did spend three years living with my sister and young nephews.

Just spit balling here. But things like.

1. Changing a nappy.
2. Reading practice.
3. Food prep.
4. Cleaning up, laying out toys and games.
5. Teaching.

Are all open to some kind of automation (although not for many years with current tech). Even more so if you look at multipliers and/or remote interaction.

I.e. some combination of AI for the simpler stuff, trained teachers in a call centre somewhere picking up a bunch of the interaction at a low cost, and a trained professional onsite supported by a bunch of clever robotics doing the physical grunt work, and you could have a much lower teacher to child ratio.

Of course you will probably just see expectations rise and more high value face time will ve required. I.e. childcare got a lot easier with washing machines, vacuum cleaners and microwaves, but people are now spending more time with their kids, not less.
It's all fun and games until the kid has a blowout and your diaper changing robot tracks **** all over the house.

By the time AI can have a productive interaction with a toddler, we'll all be out of work and have plenty of time to raise our own kids.

So much of dealing with children is subtle, contextual, and visual in nature. We're many many decades from nannybots.
02-13-2018 , 03:14 AM
Paul D is correct, rugby is wrong and seems to be a little unhinged.

Inflation isn't hard to measure. You select a basket of goods and track prices year to year. There are multiple inflation indices you can pick from. I believe the Fed mostly uses PCEPI (Personal Consumption Expenditures) rather than your run-of-the-mill CPI. It gets much more advanced from there, they don't just google the PCE rate and use that for the backbone of their analysis.

Inflation is like unemployment measurements, the context you're using it in matters. If you think the government is "fudging" the numbers than this conversation is pointless and over.

"technology" isn't included because it's already priced into the PCE. "technology" affects what's included. PC or phone purchases aren't included because they're a very small portion of what you spend your income on.

Forbes, CNBC, etc. aren't valid sources btw.
02-13-2018 , 03:54 AM
I for one am shocked that "neoliberal" thinks economics is easy.
02-13-2018 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rugby
I for one am shocked that "neoliberal" thinks economics is easy.
I don't recall making that statement.
02-15-2018 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Quantitative easing + all these stock buybacks from the Trump tax plan should get interesting. My money's on DOW 35k (just so the book can finally live up) before things get too frothy and crash. I don't think we've seen anywhere near the craziest of it yet.
The richest Americans have been hoarding all the wealth for three generations now. That excess has to go into SOMETHING, so I'd expect we're just going to hop from one speculative bubble to the next for the rest of our lifetimes.
02-16-2018 , 01:15 AM
FWIW my Libertarian friend is chicken-littling bigly about inflation these days and is convinced The Crash is just around the corner.
02-16-2018 , 01:17 AM
The Fed and a lot of other countries haven't been able to hit their inflation targets for a while.

      
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