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10-19-2018 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
I don't think many illegal immigrants are crossing the border in planes/helicopters, but I agree that would lessen the effect of the wall.
Actually, the vast majority of so called “illegal” immigrants are in fact crossing the border in planes or at other legal points of entry, which is exactly why a wall is so ****ing pointless.

Last edited by fxwacgesvrhdtf; 10-19-2018 at 07:40 PM.
10-19-2018 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Actually, the vast majority of so called “illegal” immigrants are in fact crossing the border in planes or at other legal points of entry, which is exactly why a wall is so ****ing pointless.
This is true.

Most enter via valid visas (like tourist/temp work) and just don’t leave. It’s just much safer and usually cheaper that way.
10-19-2018 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
I watched some of that Beto debate, and I think just from a strategic perspective he should be in favor of building a wall. It's really just a traditional way of protecting a country, and it seems bad politically to make a stance against it. Also, Cruz made a good point about there being a wall near Beto's El Paso protecting that city already. Also, I don't think his alternative was very clear - something about more technology at checkpoints - which is not really the opposite of building a wall.
you've got to understand that guys like trump and cruz have no intentions of building a wall- it's just a prop used to gain political power, and 2-year republican control of all 3 branches of government proves this. the lone prototype walls on the border perfectly illustrate trump's well-known grift in action: sell superficial success for a quick return, similar to his routine with trump university, except a cash return is instead replaced with fear. scaring vulnerable americans into believing immigrants are a greater threat to the country than say automation or artificial intelligence is the sole purpose behind the idea of the wall.
10-20-2018 , 12:44 AM
businessdude does not care about any of that. he imagines hordes of scary knife-wielding browns invading the country like wildlings and that's the end of the thought process. it's only common sense that we erect The Wall so our beloved ICE can keep them out.
10-20-2018 , 01:13 AM
beto o rourke is awful. Backed down off his lyin ted cruz comments. He's too weak. Maybe that plays well in washington but sure as hell won't in texas.

Last edited by wheatrich; 10-20-2018 at 01:19 AM.
10-20-2018 , 08:35 AM
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Beto O'Rourke, the Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate, expressed some regret Thursday evening for using the infamous nickname "Lyin' Ted" during a recent debate with the Republican incumbent, Ted Cruz.

"It’s not something that I feel totally comfortable with, and perhaps in the heat of the moment I took a step too far," O'Rourke said during a CNN town hall in McAllen. Asked by moderator Dana Bash if he regretted his reference to the insult, O'Rourke hesitated, then told her, "I don't know that that's the way I want to be talking in this campaign."
he's not saying ted isn't a liar, he's embarassed to have co-opted a donald trump attack line
10-20-2018 , 09:48 AM
Can't go negative on the guy not even his colleagues like
10-20-2018 , 10:04 AM
unfortunately lots of texans seem to like him. i saw exactly zero ted cruz signs around the north dallas/plano area for the first couple months after i moved here back in the summer. they're ****ing everywhere now.

good news is beto signs are everywhere too, so i mean idk, that one chick who predicted the election based on yard signs. it's probably 60/40 beto
10-20-2018 , 10:07 AM
it seems kinda incredible that anybody would like that complete *******, but it makes sense to me the more i think about it that ted cruz is a popular figure here. texas has always had a very much "we're texas, **** you" attitude towards basically everybody and everything, particularly those critical in any way of the state.

"i'm ted cruz, **** you" is a pretty good euphemism for his entire political career
10-20-2018 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
you've got to understand that guys like trump and cruz have no intentions of building a wall- it's just a prop used to gain political power
that was kind of my point - it's too easy to look "anti-security" if you are against a way to secure the borders. Just say you'd support it since there really is nothing wrong with a wall conceptually (the cost is the biggest question). If Beto had said something like he'd support a wall in some form, he's prolly up 5 points now.
10-20-2018 , 01:10 PM
(trigger warning: autoplay video)

https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2018/...ed-off-ballot/

Cliffnotes: if you're in Shelby County, TN (Memphis) and you select the "large text" ballot format, the Democratic nominee for governor gets shoved to the middle of page 2 of candidates. GOP candidate stays right on top.
10-20-2018 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
that was kind of my point - it's too easy to look "anti-security" if you are against a way to secure the borders. Just say you'd support it since there really is nothing wrong with a wall conceptually (the cost is the biggest question). If Beto had said something like he'd support a wall in some form, he's prolly up 5 points now.
I dont know how you're so bad at this. If he was for a wall he would be down by 20.
10-20-2018 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I dont know how you're so bad at this. If he was for a wall he would be down by 20.
I'd like to see an estimate of this - he would surely gain some votes but is it a Democratic absolute to oppose a wall? I don't think so - isn't the Dem Donnelly from Indiana supporting Trump's wall?
10-20-2018 , 02:16 PM
Some more really dumb hypotheticals that follow in the same thought process:
How much more would Obama have won by if he was racist?
Would Bernie have won if he ran without socialist policies?
10-20-2018 , 03:48 PM
havent spent and aint gonna spend a lot of time figuring out if businessdude plays the dumbass to get a reaction from the libs or if he is a sincere dumbass.
10-20-2018 , 05:36 PM
incredibly sincere
10-21-2018 , 01:55 PM
CNN has Nelson +5 in FL and early voting in NV looks promising for Ds.
10-21-2018 , 01:56 PM
Why do I get my hopes up only to be repeatedly let down?
10-21-2018 , 08:32 PM
I’m deliberately not looking at any polls. There is no benefit.
10-21-2018 , 08:43 PM
A different poll same time frame in FL had scott barely up. We're just not gonna know who barely won until after the votes are in and ignore the noise.
10-21-2018 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
CNN has Nelson +5 in FL and early voting in NV looks promising for Ds.
only problem with florida is that for some perplexing reason hillary is going to be campaigning for gillum despite losing the state. this is clearly very bad for nelson since the gillum primary voters are critical to his re-election. but now independents and possibly some progressives who trusted gillum when he campaigned on medicare for all may now be uncertain or maybe not show. however on the unfortunate bright side it could be a time to get some money down on the other side.
10-21-2018 , 11:26 PM
don't fall in love with your hero politicians, hard to think of a bigger immediate blunder than hillary clinton campaigning with you in a tight race in a state that usually goes red for gov by a point or two. You're too stupid to be gov.
10-22-2018 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
only problem with florida is that for some perplexing reason hillary is going to be campaigning for gillum despite losing the state. this is clearly very bad for nelson since the gillum primary voters are critical to his re-election. but now independents and possibly some progressives who trusted gillum when he campaigned on medicare for all may now be uncertain or maybe not show. however on the unfortunate bright side it could be a time to get some money down on the other side.
Bernie literally endorsed Gillum
10-22-2018 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by m_reed05
CNN has Nelson +5 in FL and early voting in NV looks promising for Ds.
Quinnipiac has Nelson +6 (fwiw)
10-22-2018 , 02:04 PM
Heitkamp down 16, so that's over. Donnelly down 4 in a bunch of polls today as well.

Assuming Donnelly pulls it out, would need to hold the rest + NV + AZ + one of TX/TN to take control. I'm surprised it's even a 20% chance on 538.

      
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