Really curious as to why the hell your wife AND daughter would back Trump? In my experience, this almost always comes from a domineering conservative male in a woman's life dictating how she thinks. It isn't you, so where does it come from? Father? Other relative? Jesus?

It's more about hate for Hillary then liking of Trump. Wife's big point is how can anyone respect a woman who let her husband publicly screw around with so many women with no consequences, she calls her "doormat Hillary". She'll never admit to it but I think one of her reasons is she loved the apprentice.

Daughter is religious and attends a private, Catholic university and has a great aunt that is a retired nun that she is very close to and is a big influence. She was big into Bernie and thinks the democratic party treated him horribly. Doesn't like the fact that the Clinton foundation takes money from middle eastern countries who treat women and gays like crap. Sees Hillary as very disingenuous.

I've told them both Hillary is awful but Trump may start WW3 because he refuses to ever back down over the smallest of issues. I just tell them neither are worthy of your vote. Arsenic or cyanide.

honestly the way your wife acted at the party makes her sound worse than voting for Trump does.

Answering an insult with an insult is that bad? Have you never done that?

Thank you for answering directly and in detail.

One would assume that she'd have even less respect for the man doing the screwing around, which I imagine has likely been an action performed by 35-40 of the previous 43 men to be President of this country, not to mention El Trumpo himself, who I'm sure has double-dipped plenty.

It seems to me like given HRC's obvious long-term Presidential ambitions, presenting the standard reaction to a philandering husband is obviously not the optimal play for Clinton. Dollars to doughnuts HRC could care less what people think of her marriage as long as she can be POTUS. In a man, that sort of tunnel-vision is generally seen as admirable - ambition is a virtue. No particular reason I can think of why it should be regarded differently in a woman. That might be a route to persuasion for the wife.

The daughter just has some growing up to do. Probably nothing more you can do than smile and nod.

Not as bad as when she was planning on getting people fired for making fun of her for voting for Trump. Sorry man but your family stories are so bad and explicit that we all remember them...

id like to think my insults would be better.

IRL ive had many political conversations and theyve never ended in throwing insults. Its not so much the fatty comment itself as the fact that a)she couldnt keep her trap shut about Trump for one party and b) she escalated that conversation to the point where people are throwing insults at each other.

Of all the things to call her. She didn't get to where she is by being a doormat, we wouldn't know her name if she was a doormat.

Not worthy of their vote? Is their vote special? Sounds like you'd rather they didn't vote at all, as if Hillary is as bad as Trump (which she clearly isn't.)

"Hillary is bad for not leaving Bill after his cheating" is such transparent argument. It just screams "I don't like her and need to make up a reason why".

Great example of sexism in this campaign. A man would never ever be criticized for the same thing.

I don't know if I'd actually call this sexism and I do think you'd see it (you know how happy people are to use the work "cuck") if it was reversed.

The most sexist part is the unspoken "she didn't leave him because she had to stay with him to get where she is because she couldn't have done it on her own/it was always a marriage of convenience" (which is somehow worse than a gross old dude marrying somebody significantly younger for reasons that I'm sure have everything to do with love)

But really I think it's just people trying to frame anything possible as a negative. If a Clinton did it, then it's bad. Figure out the middle parts later.

guy said nate silver giving Trump 20% was further proof hed win.

I really think you're wrong about that. I'd say many of the women that I know and discuss this type of stuff with (all of whom I'm certain will vote D in Nov) legitimately think less of her because she stayed with a man that cheated on her.

Of course, none of them think it's reason enough to vote Trump. I'd also bet that for most it's not enough of a negative that they would vote for a normal republican nom. But it's definitely a negative to many women. And if Hillary actually had a more conventional challenger than Bernie in the primary, it may have cost her more votes than whatever small number that it undoubtedly did.

Well, my mother is fully on the Trump bandwagon now. I imagine she was before this but has come out specifically mentioning her support for him. Rather than mentioning her hatred of Clinton as her primary motivator, it is now her belief that he has what America needs. She made this clear by commenting on one of my anti-Trump FB posts and calling me a hater. The allure of Trump must be pretty strong if it can compel parents to insult their own children.

The right move would be to not engage my mother in discussion. Part of it is that I'm generally unwilling to speak to any Donald Trump supporter about Trump as addressing such views implies that I respect them. The other part is that it's my mother and I would feel very awkward arguing with her. Unlike many people, I do not have a second parent to fall back on for support.

Though I should at least address her privately for insulting me on my Facebook page.

Did she specifically say the word "hater?" Find that an odd thing for a mother to say to her child.

Agree. She apologized and it's water under the bridge.

I have known not to engage her in politics since I became politically aware and have avoided doing so for the longest time. Apparently, she couldn't ignore the anti-Trump sentiment I express for much longer.

My parents requested a safe space from me and my wife (and probably my brother and sister in law) on their Facebook pages so that they can express their abhorrent political views; they haven't mentioned Trump explicitly but I know they support him. It will be ugly if Trump ever comes up in conversation.

I actually got in a physical fight with one of the people I profiled in this thread. First fight in over 25 years at least.

It'll probably be anticlimactic, but if you mention that I think details are nearly obligatory.

I disagree with this "above Trump" strategy or ideal that you are trying to ascribe to. Perhaps just for the benefit of outside observers, it is our obligation to take Trumpers to take logically every single chance we get and to expose their phony arguments for the world.

Of course, your mom, I can see not engaging. But I just mean in general.

Grossly paraphrasing, but Chomsky said something like he felt bad for debating the morality of the bombing in Vietnam because it made it seem like the pro-bombing people had a legitimate position, but still he had to do it as long as there was a hope that there was a positive effect.

At a cookout I walked into conversation about how every Muslim is a no good murderous savage and should be thrown out of the country. I called the person a giant bigoted piece of ****.

The person I profiled ITT got into it. I told him to **** off and it was on. He didn't land any punches but he body slammed me pretty good because he's like 6'5" and strong like bull. I got in about 3 punches that bounced off him with no effect.

Then we both felt like huge morons.

You brought yourself down to his level and started a fight... Why?

JB,

Not too bad. I was afraid it might have just been a couple of shoves.

Tien,

F off.