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Old 01-14-2018, 02:17 AM   #75076
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Right and if Trump decides there is an imminent threat because his phone tells him so while the NORAD radars are clear, we aren't going to nuke anything. It's laughable. Like the general in charge of Strategic Forces said in the article I linked to, they aren't morons.
They can try to shut him down once or twice, perhaps, but it's really up to their willingness to push back on the Commander in Chief. He's legally the one who determines whether we are under imminent threat and whether it is necessary/right to launch a nuke.

Would Pence 25th Amendment him in this scenario? Probably. Would he be able to convene the Cabinet and 25th Amendment him before Trump could finish the launch? Doubtful.

Even if the military leaders do shut him down, he can go Saturday Night Massacre on the chain of command until he gets someone who is willing to launch.

But more to the ridiculousness of your point, since Trump has the legal authority to launch a nuke, you're basically saying, "It's fine, if he tries to launch, we'll have a military coup d'etat in the United States. What are you guys so worried about? LOL!"

Lastly, let me put it this way. You can laugh about whether Trump would launch based on a phone alert... But what if he was golfing today in Maui instead of in Florida? Do you really think Donald J. Trump is going to stay put for 38 minutes and believe it's a false alarm when his phone is telling him he's about to be wiped out?

If Donald Trump was golfing in Maui today there is a VERY real chance we would have started a nuclear WW3 with a first strike on North Korea. Our only hope would be if the Secret Service was rushing him to the air strip to get him airborne as a security measure and there was too much chaos to give the order... which of course is a MAJOR security vulnerability in and of itself if that's the case.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:20 AM   #75077
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The great thing is that we’ll probably get to find out what they’ll do if he orders an unprovoked first strike so get your bets in now!
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:25 AM   #75078
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Supposedly Nixon's Secretary of Defense told the Joint Chiefs to ignore any military orders that he hadn't signed off on. But that was essentially a treasonous order, and who knows what would have happened?

Basically, we're hoping for the same here... But who knows what would happen if push came to shove. Hopefully we never find out.
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:27 AM   #75079
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Watched the David letterman interview with Obama on Netflix. Just unreal how far we have fallen. Smart, funny, compelling, humble, introspective, thoughtful, decent, articulate...not a single thing on that list even seems possible again.

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Old 01-14-2018, 02:58 AM   #75080
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By the way, speaking of the Hawaii false alarm, is anyone actually buying the story? It doesn't pass the smell test to me. I can't buy that this is a system where one person hits one button and the alert goes out.

I think it's far more likely that we were hacked and don't want to disclose it.

Based on what we know I'm basically 100% confident our military IMMEDIATELY knew it was a false alarm (no other countries responded as far as we know - Japan would have been on alert, their citizens would likely have gotten push notifications... also we didn't scramble fighters/bombers)... But I just can't buy that one person hits one button and that's what happens, and for 38 minutes.

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Old 01-14-2018, 03:01 AM   #75081
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Supposedly Nixon's Secretary of Defense told the Joint Chiefs to ignore any military orders that he hadn't signed off on. But that was essentially a treasonous order, and who knows what would have happened?

Basically, we're hoping for the same here... But who knows what would happen if push came to shove. Hopefully we never find out.
Maybe some Secret Service agent or Marine or something makes a great sacrifice if Trump is about to launch.
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:17 AM   #75082
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I read the transcript and laughed out loud at that quote.

But, now that I've heard the audio I actually agree with him. I hear "I'd probably have" every time. I think it's pretty obvious and I despise Trump and wish he'd said "I probably have..."
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:18 AM   #75083
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By the way, speaking of the Hawaii false alarm, is anyone actually buying the story? It doesn't pass the smell test to me. I can't buy that this is a system where one person hits one button and the alert goes out.

I think it's far more likely that we were hacked and don't want to disclose it.

Based on what we know I'm basically 100% confident our military IMMEDIATELY knew it was a false alarm (no other countries responded as far as we know - Japan would have been on alert, their citizens would likely have gotten push notifications... also we didn't scramble fighters/bombers)... But I just can't buy that one person hits one button and that's what happens, and for 38 minutes.

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Yeah the button thing seemed off. Seems like a ridic system if there is a physical button that can be bumped during a shift change but also seems like a hard lie to contain if that kind of mistake is not possible.

Fishy for sure.

Eta: changed my mind after reading this and feel like a conspiritard now. It seems plausible.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/1....html?referer=
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:22 AM   #75084
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Maybe some Secret Service agent or Marine or something makes a great sacrifice if Trump is about to launch.
I mean, let's be realistic.. All they'd probably need to do is make a McDonald's run and bring Stormy Daniels by and that would hold him off for a little while.

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Yeah the button thing seemed off. Seems like a ridic system if there is a physical button that can be bumped during a shift change but also seems like a hard lie to contain if that kind of mistake is not possible.

Fishy for sure.
Easy lie to contain if it's an issue of national security, IMO. You're talking about what, maybe 5-20 people that would know? All of whom know who serious it is.

I think we probably have bigger secrets kept with more people in the loop.
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:29 AM   #75085
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I mean, let's be realistic.. All they'd probably need to do is make a McDonald's run and bring Stormy Daniels by and that would hold him off for a little while.

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Easy lie to contain if it's an issue of national security, IMO. You're talking about what, maybe 5-20 people that would know? All of whom know who serious it is.

I think we probably have bigger secrets kept with more people in the loop.
Emergency alert system employees and ex-employees keeping quiet about the possibility/logistics of the message being sent by mistake? What level of vetting and security clearance is needed to get that job?
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Old 01-14-2018, 03:32 AM   #75086
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Emergency alert system employees and ex-employees keeping quiet about the possibility/logistics of the message being sent by mistake? What level of vetting and security clearance is needed to get that job?
I have no idea what sort of vetting and clearances they'd need... But if the military tells them, "If you leak this, it makes us more vulnerable to future hacks and future nuclear attacks, so STFU," I think it's possible they don't tell any/many people.

I mean, I just can't imagine this is a button someone could just press by accident, or a computer program that only requires one click to send an alert. It just boggles my mind. If I try to delete a file, I get "Are you sure?" but the EAS is just one click done?

I would imagine there is one click to pull up a menu, a password/code of some sort, a menu of possible alerts, and an "Are you sure?" prompt. That seems like the bare minimum.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:09 AM   #75087
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Saw The Post tonight, then came home and decided to watch All The President's Men which I hadn't seen before. Didn't realize how many echoes of the Nixon administration are in our current situation, especially the non-denial denials ("that's a real bull**** question, that's a question straight out of Wichita Kansas") and cries of FAKE NEWS.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:30 AM   #75088
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American history is full of soldiers doing ****ty things just because they were told to.

It gets much worse if you look a littls further afield.

Chance of a soldier disobeying the president is very low.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:45 AM   #75089
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Um, yeah, no. There is no way in hell the people who run our military are letting Cheetos fire off first strike nuclear weapons.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:48 AM   #75090
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They'd be risking their careers/prison time to defy him.
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Old 01-14-2018, 05:32 AM   #75091
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Just argued for a few hours with one of the only black kids in my city growing up about El Salvadorans being evicted. He literally googled it and made a decision on like probably drudge or something in 2 minutes backing trump. “their time is up”. I asked him like 50 damn Times why exactly they need to leave.

“They should have got citizenship. “

That’s not an option unless qualify for a green card”.

“Expiration is up. No more free ride”.

“They pay taxes and work.”

“Expiration date!”

“Trump just made up the expiration date. Why do they have to leave?”

Derp

Derp

Derp

Hillary

Derp.

Sad about our reality.

Like he couldn’t or wouldn’t fathom trump and miller and others are racist dip****s kicking them out for racist reasons and yet had no valid excuse for kicking them out but derp derp Hilary.

It kind of hit me today about going somewhere you haven’t been in 30 years and the difficulty. I would protest over this more than most things lately. Doesn’t seem to be getting much noise.

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Old 01-14-2018, 05:48 AM   #75092
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All those people’s’ 30 years of building families, relationships and careers burned for no reason other than racist ****heads.
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:08 AM   #75093
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So are you saying that in the film "The sum of All Fears" they are doing it wrong when the president needs a 2nd person to confirm the launch? That would indeed be frightening.
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Old 01-14-2018, 07:29 AM   #75094
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Trump's nuclear football contains a boxing glove on a spring.

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Old 01-14-2018, 08:17 AM   #75095
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“Someone clicked the wrong thing on the computer” isn't very credible for a system of this importance.
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:19 AM   #75096
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“Someone clicked the wrong thing on the computer” isn't very credible for a system of this importance.
Not comforting to know that Armageddon can be touched off by a misclick. And what does this have to do with a shift change? I can just imagine someone being trained on the system. "Okay, at shift change you click this, click this, click that. Never ever click that. Now you try it. Doh!!!"
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:23 AM   #75097
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I would assume that their are some additional safeguards in place before Armageddon happens due to a text message sent in Hawaii, so a simple misclick will not likely end the world as we know it.

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“Someone clicked the wrong thing on the computer” isn't very credible for a system of this importance.
They are the only state that has this type of thing, and they tried to bring back the 80s doing so. I get that a lot of the emotion of this thread is fear, and collective fear energizes people, which creates more fear. However, sometimes the simple explanation tends to be accurate, which may disappoint those hoping to be afraid of something more sinister.

I don't think it is a cover up for hackers, Russians, aliens or whatever. I expect a bit more information will come out, and it will show that rushing a system like this in place will have unforeseen issues, which is essentially "Welcome to Humanity." Ideally, those developing future systems will understand to be more prepared.
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:49 AM   #75098
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This big kerfluffle over the WSJ interview whether Trump said 'I' or "I'd" have a good relationship with NK

They released the audio this morning but it kinda sounds like "I'd" to me, or at least ambiguous

whatever real trivial

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Old 01-14-2018, 09:50 AM   #75099
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Daddy is tweeting nonsense about DACA again this morning. Lies are getting bolder.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:11 AM   #75100
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He tells it like it is unless he tells something we don’t like then we deny it.
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