So in what way is the fact that you attended that protest legitimize your current position on free speech? Once upon a time you had an insufficiently educated opinion, but really-really meant it, and a lot of people tried to dissuade you, so out of frustration you went out on the streets with anarchists and anti capitalists?

Hey y'all. Enough about oldy Clovis vs young Clovis. Trump.

What are you guise spending your fat tax cut on? CHRISTMAS presents or 1/2 of the first deductible under the new medical plan?

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/statu...41191386492929

So since he changed his mind about one thing, he should not be confident about his position on other issues?

Agree. This is a true derail.

lol and so many lap up the con

SO What are you buying with your tax cut? Radiation poisoning iodine tablets? A bump stock? Coal mine stock shares?

True carnival barker.

After reading this, I started craving some soul, and then I found this:

You are all killing me here. Can people stop talking about libs and their slippery slope (which does not really exist since most dont want nazis speech banned id guess) when conservatives brought us indecency and obscenity laws and we have a president already skiing all over the slope by delegitimizing msm and calling for a major broadcaster to stop reporting about his leaky white house or he will shut them down. Conservatives dont need libs to make the free speech slope slippery when they have been and are skiing all over the ****ing place.

Republican lawmakers introduce bills to curb protesting in at least 18 states


Please talk about the actual real attacks on the first amendment going on now.

So if you loosen the grip to allow hate groups to be banned from assembling it won't make the above easier because...they already want to anyway? The argument isn't that it will give them the great idea, the argument is it erodes the laws that have kept them from doing it easily. I really just can't understand how this seems like a good change to hand them.

Since nobody has answered the previous two times I asked, and now here's another post with a tone of "if you don't get it you are either dim or must be okay with nazis"...I must the former. Please explain to me how you ban Nazi speech? Just the bullet point steps. High level. How does that happen? Or is the end game of this important initiative to like the idea and complain that Nazis are *******s that don't deserve basic rights and it wouldn't be that way in a better world than what we have?

Ok. Now you just have to convince me your argument does not live in fantasyland and is relevant to today's political reality. Dems have no power to ban nazis and afaik most dont want to. Why are you all discussing it and not the reality we are living in where there are actual attacks on the first amendment going on. It really feels like a look over there deal. But alright whatever talk about irreverent and unrealistic libs on the slope.

I dont want them banned. Just think there are far bigger issues on the 1st amendment going on right now.

I'm really trying to understand where we disagree here. Are you irritated that I'm bothering to talk about it even though I agree with you (I think)? I also believe it is a waste of time and focus for any real action. The reason I am asking the question is because unless I am missing something it is a ridic pipe dream and ill conceived and would not only produce dangerous precedent, it would distract from actual issues that need to be the focus. The dress up nazis are not the problem. Treating them like they are is what elevates their standing. There was another tiki torch parade last week and it fizzled out because nobody showed up to yell at them in front of news cameras.

While that non-event happened, the machine behind trump continued the groundwork to gain more power and relinquish less. It's a trap. They dont even hide it. Bannon has said it in plain English.

Do you think their ignorance should earn them our empathy/understanding for believing immigrants are the problem? A pat on the head for existing?

Hoo boy, that one. The people most of us on the left don't like tend to be callous and cruel, and although some of them probably do have some knowledge or insight to share, say about cars, or guns or something, the visceral feeling of disgust would have to be offset by the knowledge gained. If I'm going to dignify a nazi with a conversation he'd have to be pretty damn impressive for me to get past the nazism.

Cant make my view more clear so ill just scroll by...

I was taking about feuding posters itt calling for bans out of previous greivances or over disagreement, not having tea with Nazis. Everybody you meet has something to teach you if even it is to learn what not to do, but I am in no way of the opinion that it is worth to suffering through finding out what that is in the vast majority of cases.

My opinion is self identified nazis, racists, and lots of other people to be honest are scum and likely have zero redeeming value to society. Even if they reform in the future it is doubtful they would have net positive worth no matter what they would teach me.

Wow. You have someone who is open to hear what you have to say and actually interested in what it means, but it's not worth your time? You are not going to find many better opportunities to actually persuade someone.

What is your purpose of posting here? Just letting off steam?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Mueller/

To get you all to stop talking about banning nazis. I say im sick of you guys arguing about banning nazis or not since there are bigger 1st amendment issues and you ask me to join into the to ban or not discussion. I mean....ffs. Ill just scroll by the to ban or not to ban nazis section of the trump thread.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/politi...CNNPolitics=Tw

At this point in the program, discussing whether liberals should advocate restricting nazis' freedom of speech has become farce, satire, and parody all rolled into one.

Just this week this president has advocated shutting down broadcast networks and newspapers that he disagrees with. Read that sentence one more time. Just this week this president has advocated shutting down broadcast networks and newspapers that he disagrees with.

Led by this highly injurious president, we again echo the long march of history in which 99% of the challenges to our first amendment protections have come from the right (not the left).

Seriously.

this. i think he means well but he has truly become a horrendous poster itt. he is apocalyptic literally several times per day, somehow finding a million different ways to post WAAF incessantly. if anybody should be ignored it's him imo