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Old 05-30-2017, 06:18 PM   #37151
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****er is singing Englebert Humperdink in 2003 at age 17. That was the most glaring sign that there was something wrong with him.
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Old 05-30-2017, 06:53 PM   #37152
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This White House statement on Trump’s ‘positive energy’ reads like a parody
President Trump has a magnetic personality and exudes positive energy, which is infectious to those around him. He has an unparalleled ability to communicate with people, whether he is speaking to a room of three or an arena of 30,000. He has built great relationships throughout his life and treats everyone with respect. He is brilliant with a great sense of humor … and an amazing ability to make people feel special and aspire to be more than even they thought possible.
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Old 05-30-2017, 06:54 PM   #37153
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This is literally the "Deep State," people who follow rules based on the law. Trump has never had to deal with such people. There are thousands of them in the bureaucracy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/u...ub-ethics.html

"WASHINGTON — Walter M. Shaub’s term as the government’s top ethics watchdog does not expire until next January, but his corner office here, just a few blocks from the White House, looks unoccupied.

No diplomas line the wood-paneled walls. No family photos or mementos. Just standard government-issue furniture, his humming computer and four large paintings. Mr. Shaub wanted to get rid of those, too, but his chief of staff warned that it might scare the 70 other employees in the Office of Government Ethics.

“I wanted to not be so attached to this office that I’d be afraid to lose it,” Mr. Shaub said on Friday, surveying the room he packed up shortly before Inauguration Day.

For a man and agency that have long labored in obscurity, that does not seem such a far-off possibility these days. Ethics have been thrust to the forefront in President Trump’s Washington, where the president’s own vast holdings and those of his asset-rich cabinet and advisers from businesses and lobbying firms have raised many accusations of conflicts of interest.

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“The story of Walter Shaub is to some extent the story of our American system of checks and balances that has stepped up beyond expectation to defend the Constitution and the law when Trump oversteps,” said Norman Eisen, the Obama administration’s first ethics counsel. Mr. Shaub, he added, might well be “the unlikeliest star of 2017.
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The son of a government chemist, Mr. Shaub grew up in the Washington suburbs with a sense that whatever he chose to do, it ought to entail public service. An interest in ethics only came later, after degrees in history at James Madison University and law at American University. (Two decades later, his own financial disclosure forms show, Mr. Shaub is still paying off student debt.)"

BTW, I posted his letter back to Mulvaney, who sent a widely circulated letter explaining why Trump did not have to publically disclose lobbyist waivers. Shaub wrote back a scathing letter and Mulvaney caved.

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Old 05-30-2017, 06:55 PM   #37154
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:01 PM   #37155
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Haven't seen it here. ABC Nightly News reporting that Michael Cohen is now a subject of the investigation.

Edit: Sounds like this is the Congressional investigation, not FBI.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:02 PM   #37156
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I disagree with the entirety of this post except the bit that infers that I'm dumb. That is mostly accurate. I don't even know what bastant means for example nor whether I should have used imply instead of infer in my first sentence. I think your faming of the issue is illegitimate, you seem to be placing the burden on the listener to maintain respectful silence for whatever view is being freely spoken so as not to "shout down" the speaker. Or to somehow not have the spoken view affect their perception of the speaker (or at least for the listener to remain silent about how the speech affected their perception).

The public sphere is the property of the public. We decide what our reaction will be to any speech. Governments should think very carefully before they abridge the right of anyone to say anything they want at any time. I on the other hand am allowed to shallowly and bastantly decide that someone is a racist on any whim I please and I'm allowed to voice that opinion to anyone I like. I might face consequences for my shallowness, "principled conservatives" might face consequences for their views on immigration. It's the marketplace of ideas.
"Governments should think very carefully before they abridge the right of anyone to say anything they want at any time."

and

"I on the other hand am allowed to shallowly and bastantly decide that someone is a racist on any whim I please and I'm allowed to voice that opinion to anyone I like."


i like that, decide that someone is racist based on any whim you please and go spread the word to anyone you like. but make sure the gouvernment suppresses unadequate speech from the far right because we dont like the far right.


however, overall your line is "i do and say whatever i want its a free country". myself, i view a democracy as something that only works if the people show tolerance to the other side even if it corresponds bad with your own morals. its not obvious that coexistence will work out, there is enough examples of failed states, coups, dictators, and countries where the press is not free.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:03 PM   #37157
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If people start discussing AC privilege, I'm just going to cut and paste from a treatise.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:20 PM   #37158
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Hahaha Chris Matthews just asked seriously if Kushy was a replicant.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:20 PM   #37159
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:21 PM   #37160
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I'm pasting from CA practice guide to prebut what you'll on Fox, etc. This is under CA law, but it's generally consistent nationally. Part of the issue is whether Cohen was Trump's actual personal lawyer or was being paid by the campaign, govt., or even Trump's company. In any event, facts related to his own contacts with Russians, whether or not at the behest of Trump, would not be privileged.

a. [7:179] “Client”: The privilege applies only to communications by a person who consults a lawyer in the latter's professional capacity, including both persons who are presently clients and those seeking to become clients of the lawyer. [See Ev.C. § 951]

(2) [7:180.1] Entity clients: Corporations, limited liability companies, associations and other groups and entities who retain the services of an attorney are “clients” protected by the privilege. [Ev.C. §§ 175, 951; D.I. Chadbourne, Inc. v. Sup.Ct. (Smith) (1964) 60 C2d 723, 736, 36 CR 468, 477 (corporation); Benge v. Sup.Ct. (Mac Machines) (1982) 131 CA3d 336, 345, 182 CR 275, 280 (labor union); Roberts v. City of Palmdale (1993) 5 C4th 363, 370-371, 20 CR2d 330, 333 (public entity); State Comp. Ins. Fund v. Sup.Ct. (People) (2001) 91 CA4th 1080, 1087, 111 CR2d 284, 288 (insurer)]
(a) [7:180.2] Communications between corporation's employees and attorney: A corporation (or other entity), of course, cannot communicate as such with its lawyer; rather, attorney-client communications necessarily must be through individuals acting for the entity. Those communications often emanate from corporate directors or officers. But in many cases, attorney communications with the entity's other employees will likewise be protected by the attorney-client privilege:
Generally, communications between a corporation's employees and its attorney(s) are privileged to the extent the communications are within the scope of the employee's responsibility or the employee is a coparty with the corporation. [D.I. Chadbourne, Inc. v. Sup.Ct. (Smith), supra, 60 C2d at 736-738, 36 CR at 477-478; Triple A Machine Shop, Inc. v. State of Calif. (1989) 213 CA3d 131, 141-142, 261 CR 493, 499-500]
1) [7:180.3] Comment: This point is crucial in dealing with attorney-client privilege issues in the corporate or entity context. If the employee who made or received the attorney communication is outside the scope of the “client” umbrella, confidentiality of the communication will be deemed waived on the theory it was disclosed to an “unnecessary” third person (¶7:192 ff.). [D.I. Chadbourne, Inc. v. Sup.Ct. (Smith), supra, 60 C2d at 735, 36 CR at 476]

1) [7:180.7] Limitation—government attorney testimony before federal grand jury: In federal grand jury investigations into criminal violations of federal law, communications between government officials and the government entity's attorneys are not always privileged:

The primary duty of government-employed attorneys is to the government entity and its constituents; they have no duty to defend officials against criminal charges or protect wrongdoers from public exposure. Here, the cases examine the particular offices involved, whether the government entity is state or federal, and the nature of the information sought. [See Ross v. City of Memphis (6th Cir. 2005) 423 F3d 596, 602-603 (collecting cases); In re Lindsey (DC Cir. 1998) 158 F3d 1263, 1272-1273—White House Counsel employed by federal government may not invoke attorney-client privilege in grand jury proceeding investigating President's potential violations of federal law; compare In re Grand Jury Investigation (2nd Cir. 2005) 399 F3d 527, 532-535—former chief legal counsel to Office of Governor of Connecticut could invoke attorney-client privilege to prevent disclosure of confidential communications between Governor and counsel to grand jury investigating Governor's possible violation of federal laws (relying in part on Conn. law); see also Fed.R.Ev. 501 (discussed at ¶7:270.2); and Rest.3d Law Governing Lawyers § 74, Comment (b)]

a) [7:180.8] Compare—consultations with private counsel: Confidential communications between government officials and their personal, private lawyers are protected to the same extent as any other attorney-client communications. [See In re Lindsey, supra, 158 F3d at 1276, 127]

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(7) [7:210] Information not protected by attorney-client privilege: Because the privilege (Ev.C. § 954) extends only to “confidential communications” between attorney and client, the following generally are not privileged:

(a) [7:211] Foundational facts: Foundational facts upon which the attorney-client privilege depends—i.e., the existence of an attorney-client relationship, or the fact the communications were made in the course of that relationship—are ordinarily not regarded as “confidential” communications and, hence, not privileged. [Triple A Mach. Shop v. State of Calif. (1989) 213 CA3d 131, 143, 261 CR 493, 500; Coy v. Sup.Ct. (Wolcher) (1962) 58 C2d 210, 219-220, 23 CR 393, 397-398]

(b) [7:211.1] Facts underlying privileged communications: The attorney-client privilege only protects disclosure of communications; it does not protect disclosure of the underlying facts by those who communicate with an attorney. [Upjohn Co. v. United States (1981) 449 US 383, 395, 101 S.Ct. 677, 685; Fisher v. United States (1976) 425 US 391, 403-404, 96 S.Ct. 1569, 1577—preexisting nonprivileged documents that could have been obtained by court process from client when they were in client's possession may also be obtained from client's attorney by similar process]

(c) [7:212] Client's identity: Generally, the client's name is not considered a confidential communication: “It is well established that the attorney-client privilege, designed to protect communications between them, does not ordinarily protect the client's identity.” [People v. Chapman (1984) 36 C3d 98, 110, 201 CR 628, 635 (disapproved on other grounds in People v. Palmer (2001) 24 C4th 856, 861-862, 103 CR2d 13, 16); Hooser v. Sup.Ct. (Ray) (2000) 84 CA4th 997, 1005, 101 CR2d 341, 347]
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a) [7:213.1] Compare—right of privacy protection: Even where the attorney-client privilege does not apply, the client's constitutional right of privacy may shield the client's identity from discovery. [Hooser v. Sup.Ct. (Ray) (2000) 84 CA4th 997, 1005-1006, 101 CR2d 341, 347-348; Tien v. Sup.Ct. (Tenet Healthcare Corp.) (2006) 139 CA4th 528, 539-541, 43 CR3d 121, 128-130—defendant employer's discovery request to obtain identity of potential class members who contacted plaintiff's counsel in putative class action against employer denied as violating potential class members' privacy rights; but see Willis v. Sup.Ct. (Willis) (1980) 112 CA3d 277, 298, 169 CR 301, 313—defendant's need for information for litigation purposes outweighed client's privacy rights re identification information]

[7:221] Comment: Although the Blackman court declined to adopt the position that 26 USC § 6050I “trumps” the attorney-client privilege, other courts have so held. [See United States v. Goldberger & Dubin, P.C. (2nd Cir. 1991) 935 F2d 501, 505—privilege must yield where it “collides head on with a federal statute that implicitly precludes its application”]
c) [7:222] IRS may utilize “John Doe” summons: Where the taxpayer's identity is unknown, the IRS may subpoena relevant information from third party recordkeepers (e.g., attorneys) by a “John Doe” summons, issued with court approval. [26 USC § 7609]


(d) [7:224] Time, date, place of communication: Independent facts related to a communication—such as that a communication took place and the time, date and participants—are normally not privileged. [Coy v. Sup.Ct. (Wolcher) (1962) 58 C2d 210, 219-220, 23 CR 393, 397-398]
1) [7:225] Comment: Conceivably there could be a case where disclosing independent facts regarding a communication would reveal confidential information, as where disclosing the date would show the client received legal advice before committing a culpable act.

(e) Tax returns
1) [7:226] No attorney-client privilege: Where attorneys are involved in the preparation of tax returns, the tax returns and related preparation information generally are not subject to the attorney-client privilege. Reason: Because there is no accountant's or tax preparer's privilege, hiring a lawyer to do work an accountant or tax preparer normally would do should not entitle a taxpayer to greater protection than a taxpayer who does not use a lawyer. [United States v. Frederick (7th Cir. 1999) 182 F3d 496, 500]

2) [7:226a] Fifth Amendment privilege: Courts have also enforced disclosure of client tax documents in the possession of an attorney retained in connection with an IRS investigation over counsel's assertion of the client's Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. [See Fisher v. United States (1976) 425 US 391, 396-398, 96 S.Ct. 1569, 1573-1575; United States v. Sideman & Bancroft, LLP (9th Cir. 2013) 704 F3d 1197, 1201-1205—Fifth Amendment claim foreclosed by “foregone conclusion exception” to privilege (i.e., producing documents government already knows exist not a “testimonial” act)]

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Old 05-30-2017, 07:24 PM   #37161
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:25 PM   #37162
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Or Ted Nugent on stage talking about shoving his machine gun up HRC's hoo-hah.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:31 PM   #37163
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I'm starting to hate this Jason moron on CNN more than Trump himself.

Why does CNN keep putting these trumpkins on? No chance they are attracting other trumpkins. Is it really just for the veneer of "balance"? If so, why not find someone who is not a total moron.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:32 PM   #37164
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I mean all you had to do was not take a pic with a beaheaded president. Lol dummy.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:39 PM   #37165
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I'm starting to hate this Jason moron on CNN more than Trump himself.

Why does CNN keep putting these trumpkins on? No chance they are attracting other trumpkins. Is it really just for the veneer of "balance"? If so, why not find someone who is not a total moron.
Maybe it's hard to find a Trumpkin that's not a total moron?
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:40 PM   #37166
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Go to lowest ranked law school in US, buy $58M building. Must be nice.

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https://twitter.com/TomNamako/status/869671579294236672

Accused Portland stabber comes into court yelling “get out if you don’t like free speech"
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:50 PM   #37168
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As always, the greatest and most dangerous impingement upon freeze peach is people disagreeing with conservatives.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:51 PM   #37169
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:52 PM   #37170
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Maybe it's hard to find a Trumpkin that's not a total moron?
they are either paid or are building a name for themselves lying on tv. they have them on so they get to check a box, conservative, liberal and a trump-conservative. the other guys are professional analysts and experts that know what they are talking about and have a reputation to take care of. the trump conservative is a dumb person that is willing to say anything. putting them in a cage fight actually creates fake news because it creates the impression that this is ok or normal views, but in reality its lies and trump style talk. so in that sense cnn is actually fake news. and bernie sanders did point that out one time on cnn (and he was cut off). cnns vision is that politics is "sports", this is actually their model for running their shows. thats why they stage a battle between these factions and pretend they are equals.

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Old 05-30-2017, 07:53 PM   #37171
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Watching the new season of House of Cards. It's no longer quite so entertaining in the Age of Trump. It plays more like a horror movie now.

Not sure when the first episode was shot, but they're really using some trump stuff - shutting down the borders, the Sec'y of State warning that that will put many people in danger who are waiting to immigrate in, etc.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:56 PM   #37172
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Accused Portland stabber comes into court yelling “get out if you don’t like free speech"
Video of it.

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Maybe it's hard to find a Trumpkin that's not a total moron?
Seriously, I have yet to hear one. Maybe Icahn, but he's been silent for a while and I think he's been losing his mind for several years anyway.

Part of the reason is that there really isn't a defense at all for Trump's actions, so trying to make one up makes you seem dumb. The rest of the reason is that if you believe the made up reasons you are dumb.
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Yeah gotta love the crew that elected and now embraces "body slammed a reporter guy" being oh so principled about the free speech rights of literal nazis
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Silver lining of Trump era: there is now no disputing that you can be a complete ****ing moron and also be disgustingly wealthy
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