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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-21-2018 , 11:32 AM

https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/998585686570680320
05-21-2018 , 11:43 AM
Carrey has serious game.
05-21-2018 , 11:57 AM
My quibble with those overly concerned about school shootings [though it is a subject of legitimate concern] is that they maybe take the lives of 100 people per year. Guns kill 30k per year in Murica, mostly by suicide (think "low barrier to entry"). Individual tragedies, whether early death or misery due to lack of health care, unnecessary incarceration, exploitation and poverty brought about in part by worthless private education providers who qualify for federal student loans, and many others, are all tragedies of modern America. Yet many people seem blind to the fact that they are the "choice" of the polity, as represented by the fact that Trump and the GOP Congress were elected. Sure, people did not actually choose them or understand the consequences of their "choices", but an ultimate rule of "democracy" is that you are stuck with your choices, whether you understood them or not. All they need to do is say that the unchurched, or foreign, or eggheads, or the unpatriotic support X, and they will get plenty of voters against X irrespective of the merits.
05-21-2018 , 11:57 AM
Example # 12,894,398 that elections have consequences:

Supreme Court sides with employers in class action arbitration cases

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In a victory for employers and the Trump administration, the Supreme Court on Monday said that employers could block employees from banding together as a class to fight legal disputes in employment arbitration agreements.

Justice Neil Gorsuch delivered the opinion for the 5-4 majority, his first major opinion since joining the court last spring and a demonstration of how the Senate Republicans' move to keep liberal nominee Merrick Garland from being confirmed in 2016 has helped cement a conservative court.

"This is the Justice Gorsuch that I think most everyone expected," said Steve Vladeck, CNN contributor and professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law. "Not only is he endorsing the conservative justices' controversial approach to arbitration clauses, but he's taking it an important step further by extending that reasoning to employment agreements, as well."

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg took the rare step of reading her dissent from the bench, calling the majority opinion in Epic Systems Corp. v. Lewis "egregiously wrong."

"The court today holds enforceable these arm-twisted, take-it-or-leave-it contracts -- including the provisions requiring employees to litigate wage and hours claims only one-by-one. Federal labor law does not countenance such isolation of employees," she said.
heart.jpg RBG

https://us.cnn.com/2018/05/21/politi...uch/index.html
05-21-2018 , 12:00 PM
Interesting.


https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/...75823114551297
05-21-2018 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Yeah, but this time non Trump people are saying it prob will end this summer because of the midterms. .
Lol at anyone thinking Mueller will end his investigation before he is satisfied it is as completed as he can make it. Trump isn’t up for re-election in November.
05-21-2018 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Maybe not, but it serves to discredit mainstream news sources. Trump and Giuliani would high-five you for that. When it comes to interpretations, I see it as tearing down the mainstream media. So now it comes from both sides. It doesn't bolster my hopes for the future.
That's not what he was doing, like at all. Please stop.
05-21-2018 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Interesting.


https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/...75823114551297
Mortality rate as a percentage of GNP? Gross national product?
05-21-2018 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Mortality rate as a percentage of GNP? Gross national product?
Infant mortality tends to go down as GNP rises. I think the point is showing is that there are basically no effect of medical advances over and above GNP effect. (Of course, there are significant changes during the time period, such as proliferation of guns and opioids, but also decrease in smoking and greater vehicle safety.)


https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/...87599088664576

Edit: don't really know the guy, but he tends to regularly tweet smart and interesting things, which is consistent with his wiki bio (that I just checked):

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In 2004 Nielsen was characterized as Australia's "youngest academic" and secured a Federation Fellowship at the University of Queensland; the fellowship was for five years.[4] He worked at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, as the Richard Chace Tolman Prize Fellow at Caltech, and a Senior Faculty Member at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics. Nielsen obtained his PhD in physics in 1998 at the University of New Mexico.[2] With Isaac Chuang he is the co-author of a popular textbook on quantum computing.[5]

Last edited by simplicitus; 05-21-2018 at 12:30 PM.
05-21-2018 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Infant mortality tends to go down as GNP rises. I think the point is showing is that there are basically no effect of medical advances over and above GNP effect. (Of course, there are significant changes during the time period, such as proliferation of guns and opioids, but also decrease in smoking and greater vehicle safety.)


https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/...87599088664576
Surely some of the GNP effect is the result of medical advances.
05-21-2018 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Lol at anyone thinking Mueller will end his investigation before he is satisfied it is as completed as he can make it. Trump isn’t up for re-election in November.
I was just paraphrasing what a former prosecutor was saying in an article. I don’t think anybody like that was saying Thanksgiving was a reasonable end date.
05-21-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Mortality rate as a percentage of GNP? Gross national product?
The y-axis of the graph is labeled "Mortality per 100,000 population", so I am not sure how GNP comes in, even though it says so in the description of the graph. They are absolute values too, even though it says "percentage", so I guess either the title or the y-axis is mislabeling the graphic.
05-21-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy
The y-axis of the graph is labeled "Mortality per 100,000 population", so I am not sure how GNP comes in, even though it says so in the description of the graph. They are absolute values too, even though it says "percentage", so I guess either the title or the y-axis is mislabeling the graphic.
Yeah, something is off and wouldn't the adjustment be inverse of GNP? As a percentage of 1/GNP?
05-21-2018 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Interesting.


https://twitter.com/michael_nielsen/...75823114551297
Meh. Not surprising to any doc, and if you think about it, shouldn't be surprising to anyone.

The long term mortality for everyone is 100%. If you don't die of cholera, you die of heart disease or cancer (or nowadays, dementia). Additionally, although the US infant mortality rate is still higher than it should be (compared to say, Switzerland) it's still a lot better than it was in 1900, which bumps the numbers for average date of death to the "right". What has happened, to some degree, is that people are living longer with their hypertension/CAD/cancer before dying......

TBH, it's a **** graph, and the more I look at it the less I think it tells me much of anything.

MM MD
05-21-2018 , 01:06 PM
Not going to dig into an issue I found interesting in passing, but the tweet has a link to a pdf of the original 1977 study in a medical journal that "inspired" the updated graph from the book.
05-21-2018 , 01:09 PM
Absolutely shocked I tell ya

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President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani made up the Sept. 1 deadline he said special counsel Robert Mueller had placed on Mueller's investigation into whether Trump obstructed the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.

The source called the deadline “entirely made up” and “another apparent effort to pressure the special counsel to hasten the end of his work,” Reuters reported.
05-21-2018 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Not going to dig into an issue I found interesting in passing, but the tweet has a link to a pdf of the original 1977 study in a medical journal that "inspired" the updated graph from the book.
Yeah, actually I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the authors addressed (in the asterisk there) whatever concerns we could think up in 15 minutes looking at the little info in the tweet.
05-21-2018 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kre8tive
Absolutely shocked I tell ya
This is what I was saying lol. No one believes Huckster saying it so I have no idea why Rudy saying it after going bonkers on TV for a week straight makes anything legit.
05-21-2018 , 01:33 PM
An interesting stat re mortality is the modal date of death. ie the age people most commonly die at if nothing else kills them

In the UK this has jumped quite a lot over the last couple of decades.

Here is an example article on the subject


quite a few others if you google -- modal date of death site:.gov.uk --
05-21-2018 , 01:42 PM


Hummm....
05-21-2018 , 01:54 PM
if you told me, “hey last summer one of your coworkers was actually working as an undercover cop” i wouldn’t freak out. i would be relieved because i know i don’t do illegal **** at my job, and a coworker watching me closely could verify that for investigators.

if i was up to illegal **** and you told me the same thing, i would probably freak out like trump is doing rn
05-21-2018 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I hope you see the irony of being such a low grade dick and questioning my morals in the same post about a hypothetical I was asking someone else.
Man, we can't even question someone's morals anymore without them getting so sensitive and offended by it . Hard to adjust to this new PC world. I'm glad we have Trump telling it like it is.
05-21-2018 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


Hummm....
Odds we have a Monday Massacre? 10%? 25%? Higher?

Trump does have a thing for branding, and the alliteration would be a nice touch.

I think there's a greater chance they capitulate, though. It'll be a bogus investigation, but it's not going to find anything anyway. Thus I think they'll decide they are better off capitulating and avoiding a massacre when Congress won't do **** about it.
05-21-2018 , 02:09 PM
The silver lining in the class action decision is that it's a benefit to employers so wages will surely be going up now, right? havwal going to get a raise!
05-21-2018 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
if i was up to illegal **** and you told me the same thing, i would probably freak out like trump is doing rn
i'd like to think i could do a better job of concealing my panic over it, personally

      
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